Pamela, I think there is a difference between a political discussion in which we all ideologically flatulate one one where we, as experts, contribute to clarifying a problem that the rest of the world totally misunderstands.
>From a technical stand point, does the idea of a IT-Judiciary make sense??? Nick > [Original Message] > From: Pamela McCorduck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[email protected]> > Date: 8/8/2007 1:37:14 PM > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Information technology judiiciary. > > Nick. I share your outrage--was just on the phone to an old pal who > used to be John Kerry's legislative director. Those supine Democrats! > I hate to give up my right to vote in a primary, but I'm appalled by > both parties right now, and certainly don't feel I belong to the > Democrats, who not only gave away my civil protections, but also my > money to agri-biz, while my own senator is giving it away to the hedge > fund boys. This isn't any party I want to be part of. > > My pal explained it as "inside the Beltway thinking," which is to say, > "we can't hand the Republicans this issue right before an election..." > Why not? Why not explain to Americans just what got handed where? > > I don't want to turn FRIAM into a political bulletin board, so perhaps > I should simply say that yes, I agree that data mining presents very > different issues, and needs some imaginative ideas for privacy > protection. > > P. > > > On Aug 8, 2007, at 2:09 PM, Nicholas Thompson wrote: > > > All, > > > > I feel like "WE" (by which I mean you-all) have something to > > contribute to the current discussion on warrantless wire taps. Note > > the Washington Post, below. Does anybody else agree that Data Mining > > needs an entirely different structure of civil rights protections then > > investigations of person? Should somebody ( by which I mean you-all) > > TELL the washington post that? I mean I assume we would approve of a > > universal search for "bomb-making materials --frequent holidays in > > Pakistan") but not for "sexual indescretions FRIAM members". The > > problem is, of course, that civil rights law is designed to protect > > individuals and we dont know what individuals are involved until we > > get a hit. Some judicial agency has to pass on the SEARCHES. What > > worries me more than national security data mining from a civil rights > > point of view is the complete freedom taht law enforcement seems to > > hav! e for searching in more personal areas. I think we need an > > ITJ ... i.e., an Information Technology Judiciary. > > > > The Democratic-led Congress, more concerned with protecting its > > political backside than with safeguarding the privacy of American > > citizens, left town early yesterday after caving in to administration > > demands that it allow warrantless surveillance of the phone calls and > > e-mails of American citizens, with scant judicial supervision and no > > reporting to Congress about how many communications are being > > intercepted. To call this legislation ill-considered is to give it too > > much credit: It was scarcely considered at all. Instead, it was > > strong-armed through both chambers by an administration that seized > > the opportunity to write its warrantless wiretapping program into > > lawor, more precisely, to write it out from under any real legal > > restrictions." > > > > > > Which of us is going to write the Washington Post????? > > > > Not me. I am just a psychologist. > > > > Nick > > > > > > Nicholas S. Thompson > > Research Associate, Redfish Group, Santa Fe, NM ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > > Professor of Psychology and Ethology, Clark University > > ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > > > > > > > > > > ============================================================ > > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > > lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org > > > "Where words prevail not, violence reigns..." > > > Thomas Kyd
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