Hi Ken,

in the context of Rosen's objections to course of mathematics since pythagoras, in what respect would CPPN's be any better than 'rules centered agent based modelling' ? I never heard about CPPN's; it seems interesting, but I can't really find any examples of something they're better at than 'straight' CA or neural networks ?

curious,

Joost.


On  21 Apr, 2008, at 5:29 PM, Ken Lloyd wrote:

Phil,

There is a fundamental quality in mathematics - equality - or reversibility,
if you will, that differs from nature.  This means that there is a
directionality in natural processes that cannot be deconstructed. Prigogine calls the lack of directional and temporal equality "far from equilibrium".

Mathematics works well at describing systems at equilibrium, and seems to get progressively worse the further from equilibrium one gets. Emergence
creates an emergency, so to speak.

This has been my criticism of rules centered agent based modeling, which is a theme from Wolfram, and why I have been researching compositional pattern producing networks (CPPN's) evolved by HyperNEAT. It seems to take energy
to evolve.

The interesting thing is a paradigmatic difference between solving problems,
and recognizing solutions.

Ken




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