Folks, I am getting confused again: Can somebody confirm or deny the following:?
(1) We have two worries here, high voltage transients and cell phone use. (2) They have nothing to do with each other, right? (3) In the study on high voltage transients, the excess cancers were melanomas, right? Could this have had anything todo with the fact that the study was done in California? What was taken as the base rate for melanoma? I feel the Reverend Bayes is about to enter the argument. (4) What were the controls on the study on cell phone use? Stress and heat are both known causes of lazy sperm. I would worry about laptop use before I would worry about cell phone use. Not only do laptops put out of wifi signal, they cook your crotch to the temperature of rare roast beef, if you hold them in your lap. Also, the stress effect of multitasking, particularly if one of the tasks is talking for more than 4 hours a day over a bad telephone connection ... ALL cell phones are bad .. should be measureable. (5) Finally, are we worried about sperm counts because we are worried about our fertility, or because sperm are the canaries in the mine? Nicholas S. Thompson Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Ethology, Clark University ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > [Original Message] > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[email protected]> > Date: 6/8/2008 10:00:54 AM > Subject: Friam Digest, Vol 60, Issue 6 > > Send Friam mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Friam digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. "Dirty Power" Linked to Cancers in California School in > Milham-Morgan Study (peter) > 2. Men who use mobile phones face increased risk of infertility > | Mail Online (peter) > 3. Mixing Incredible Modeling tools (peter) > 4. Re: also Th!nk City electric car from Norway...: Guerin: > Murray 2008.06.07 (Tom Johnson) > 5. Re: "Dirty Power" Linked to Cancers in California School in > Milham-Morgan Study (Marcus G. Daniels) > 6. A band that uses only IPODS !!! (peter) > 7. Re: "Dirty Power" Linked to Cancers in California School in > Milham-Morgan Study (G?nther Greindl) > 8. Re: "Dirty Power" Linked to Cancers in California School in > Milham-Morgan Study (Marcus G. Daniels) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2008 12:02:07 -0600 > From: peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [FRIAM] "Dirty Power" Linked to Cancers in California School > in Milham-Morgan Study > To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group > <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24957072/ > > This is re the comments posted recently on power magnetic field health > causes, there are a few PDFs also on line which seem to make sense > > Again I think these are ways that we can model and demonstrate in the > real world at the center to prove validity and I just cannot wait for > Steve to sponsor a summer race with the kids in santa fe, for the following > > " Redfish's great cell phone popcorn popping completion " the first one > to pop a full cup of popcorn with their cell phones wins xxx for life > --- No LANL or Sandia modifications allowed and no cell phones the size > of a pickup truck.. The banner alone should prove awesome > > ( : ( : pete > -- > > Peter Baston > > *IDEAS* > > /www.ideapete.com/ <http://www.ideapete.com/> > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/attachments/20080607/d87ca9de /attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2008 12:05:03 -0600 > From: peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [FRIAM] Men who use mobile phones face increased risk of > infertility | Mail Online > To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group > <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-412179/Men-use-mobile-phones-face-in creased-risk-infertility.html > > ( : ( : pete > -- > > Peter Baston > > *IDEAS* > > /www.ideapete.com/ <http://www.ideapete.com/> > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/attachments/20080607/f1086756 /attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2008 12:21:28 -0600 > From: peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [FRIAM] Mixing Incredible Modeling tools > To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group > <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Three of the most powerful modeling tools we have experimented with are > > http://www.antics3d.com/ > > http://sketchup.google.com/ > > http://earth.google.com/ > > Antics does POWERFUL animation ( Go ok you will not believe the results > ) and the power of sketchup mixed with the goggle tool set, earth, gears > and other attributes is awesome " All interact well " > > One of SKPs biggest secrets is the use of Ruby on Rails running in the > background so that almost any attribute can be manipulated " Such as > Physics " and for the more adventurous you can role your own. API access > and registration for the truly creative also available > > Go look at some of the demos and turn these loose with your kids this > summer and you will not hear a peep outa them. You can build or download > complex infrastructure models in SKP and download them into the antics > modeling programs and ready made humans scenes and actions and even > produce a full animation production files > > The icing on the cake is that all have free versions that produce beyond > professional results > > I think Owen is researching some summer camp ideas for the complex and > these should be high on our list > > > ( : ( : pete > -- > > Peter Baston > > *IDEAS* > > /www.ideapete.com/ <http://www.ideapete.com/> > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/attachments/20080607/86404e5c /attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2008 12:20:32 -0600 > From: "Tom Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] also Th!nk City electric car from Norway...: > Guerin: Murray 2008.06.07 > To: "The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group" > <[email protected]> > Message-ID: > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Is Think City the company in Norway that Gov. Bill Richardson is visiting > next week? > -tj > > On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 12:36 AM, Rich Murray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > also Th!nk City electric car from Norway...: Guerin: Murray 2008.06.07 > > > > Hi Stephen, Some of us at Friam have talked about possible investments in > > alternative energy, so I thought this info about current tech on the market > > would be of interest, particularly with a local office -- > > maybe Conergy would like to connect with Santa Fe Complex. Conergy is now > > offering Nanosolar technology for affordable solar power for communities on > > the scale of El Dorado, which is just sort of thing that could be > > visualized > > on the sand table. Santa Fe could be a world leader as a community that > > switches from coal, gas, and nuclear to solar and wind power. > > > > If we also attract an assembly plant for the Th!nk City electric car from > > Norway, 124 mile daily range at 65 mph, then in a few years most pollution > > would be gone from our air, with major health benefits.....! > > > > In mutual service, Rich Murray 505-501-2298 [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > http://www.autobloggreen.com/2008/03/25/officially-official-th-nk-city-elect ric-car-on-sale-in-the-uk-t/ > > > > AutoblogGreen > > Officially official: Th!nk City electric car on sale in the UK this fall > > > > Posted Mar 25th 2008 3:10PM by Sebastian Blanco > > Filed under: EV/Plug-in, Green Daily, UK, Th!nk (Think) > > > > March has been a big month for Th!nk, with the news about $4m investments > > and the new Ox model out of Geneva. We knew EV fans in Norway would be able > > to buy a Th!nk City soon, and the good news for Britons is that the City > > will be available to order in the UK sometime "during the last quarter of > > this year." Smart Planet notes that the Th!nk City's running costs of > > around > > 1.25p a mile are a good place to be and "exactly halfway between the usual > > stated costs of the G-Wiz and the Mega City." While the Th!nk City does > > take > > longer to charge than some other EVs (10 hours at a standard plug vs. 4-6), > > you get more performance from it. 124 miles per charge being the big one; a > > little bit of punch with a 0-30 speed of 6.5 seconds being the other. UK > > buyers can expect to pay ?14,000 (just under $28,000US) for a Th!nk City - > > plus ?100 per month for a battery rental. Details after the jump. > > > > Gallery: Th!nk City Electric Vehicle > > > > > ========================================== > J. T. Johnson > Institute for Analytic Journalism -- Santa Fe, NM USA > www.analyticjournalism.com > 505.577.6482(c) 505.473.9646(h) > http://www.jtjohnson.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > "You never change things by fighting the existing reality. > To change something, build a new model that makes the > existing model obsolete." > -- Buckminster Fuller > ========================================== > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/attachments/20080607/04781cbe /attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2008 14:24:22 -0600 > From: "Marcus G. Daniels" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] "Dirty Power" Linked to Cancers in California > School in Milham-Morgan Study > To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group > <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24957072/ > > > > This is re the comments posted recently on power magnetic field health > > causes, there are a few PDFs also on line which seem to make sense > > Here's the abstract of the paper. > > http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/119553477/abstract > > The paper itself you'd need to pull from your research library. I did, > and in addition to the stats in the abstract, apparently there were two > rooms with ongoing and rapid changes in high frequency (~12 kHz) > transients, and both of those cases had teachers that developed cancer. > > It seems like a fine thing to do to study the biology of all this. For > example, here's a company that seems to be on to something: > > http://www.novocuretrial.com > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2008 16:23:05 -0600 > From: peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [FRIAM] A band that uses only IPODS !!! > To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group > <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwoPgnvpPQg&feature=related > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6qKPUB3tro&NR=1 > > ( : ( : pete > -- > > Peter Baston > > *IDEAS* > > /www.ideapete.com/ <http://www.ideapete.com/> > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/attachments/20080607/fd270034 /attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2008 00:40:50 +0200 > From: G?nther Greindl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] "Dirty Power" Linked to Cancers in California > School in Milham-Morgan Study > To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group > <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed > > Hi, > > sounds scary. What I find strange is this: they say at the beginning of > the paper: > > There are many sources of ??dirty power?? in today?s > electrical equipment. Examples of electrical equipment > designed to operate with interrupted current flow are light > dimmer switches that interrupt the current twice per cycle > (120 times/s), power saving compact fluorescent lights that > interrupt the current at least 20,000 times/s, halogen lamps, > electronic transformers and most electronic equipment > manufactured since the mid-1980s that use switching power > supplies. Dirty power generated by electrical equipment in a > building is distributed throughout the building on the electric > wiring. Dirty power generated outside the building enters the > building on electric wiring and through ground rods and > conductive plumbing, while within buildings, it is usually the > result of interrupted current generated by electrical appliances > and equipment. > > > I mean, everybody has this stuff at home: why then the cluster at that > school? Wouldn't that speak against transients being responsible > (because they exist everywhere)? > > (I am no electrical engineer) > > Regards, > G?nther > > Marcus G. Daniels wrote: > >> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24957072/ > >> > >> This is re the comments posted recently on power magnetic field health > >> causes, there are a few PDFs also on line which seem to make sense > > > > Here's the abstract of the paper. > > > > http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/119553477/abstract > > > > The paper itself you'd need to pull from your research library. I did, > > and in addition to the stats in the abstract, apparently there were two > > rooms with ongoing and rapid changes in high frequency (~12 kHz) > > transients, and both of those cases had teachers that developed cancer. > > > > It seems like a fine thing to do to study the biology of all this. For > > example, here's a company that seems to be on to something: > > > > http://www.novocuretrial.com > > > > > > ============================================================ > > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > > lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2008 17:08:31 -0600 > From: "Marcus G. Daniels" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] "Dirty Power" Linked to Cancers in California > School in Milham-Morgan Study > To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group > <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed > > G?nther Greindl wrote: > > I mean, everybody has this stuff at home: why then the cluster at that > > school? Wouldn't that speak against transients being responsible > > (because they exist everywhere)? > > > If it were that common, then a 1/10000 would be expected. Maybe La > Quinta was just the one. > It did sound like it was particularly powerful transients, though. > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Friam mailing list > [email protected] > http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > > > End of Friam Digest, Vol 60, Issue 6 > ************************************ ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
