Mikhail Gorelkin wrote:
 > >>Glen<<
> >>Going back to the original point, I maintain that both the
> act of creation and the act of making occur within what I call 
> sensory-motor interactions, not somehow "beyond" or behind them.<<
> No, *nobody* can convince you. He/she can show you but you're the one
> that has.. to see / experience this difference :-) (this is an
> axiomatic level) --Mikhail

It's not clear to me what you're saying, here.  Are you simply saying 
that I'm stubborn? [grin]  Yes, that's true ... and I'm proud of it.  As 
a good friend once told me:  "If your mind is too closed, nothing can 
get in.  But if your mind is too open, everything falls out."

Or are you simply saying that a metaphysical/supernatural hypothesis 
like your "creation is beyond language" is a belief that cannot be 
debated?  One either accepts it or one doesn't and no argument is 
powerful enough to change one's position?

In that sense, I guess we agree, because I believe the claim: "creation 
is beyond language" to be a religious claim.  I don't believe the claim.

But, just because it's religious on its face doesn't mean we can't shave 
down the concept of "creation" (like you did by distinguishing "making" 
from "creation") and construct some type of scientific (testable) claim. 
  For example, we might propose that: Non-linguistic animals can 
spontaneously begin using novel food gathering methods.  "Novel" meaning 
"never before observed in this species".  The we can leave it up to the 
metaphysicians as to whether or not "novelty" and "creation" are related.

-- 
glen e. p. ropella, 971-219-3846, http://tempusdictum.com


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