I see this as involving two fundamental issues: governing a commons and
group effectiveness.

   - There is a lot of current work on governing a commons. The best known
   name is Elinor
Ostrom<http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=1&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cogs.indiana.edu%2Fpeople%2Fhomepages%2Fostrom.html&ei=kl7qSKfcIYKmsAOkmoWTCg&usg=AFQjCNEEFEFbt30d32Ibv1TgyvczfMdnlQ&sig2=8fhZnTEsFKK8xjiMcA-32Q>.



   - The issue of groups, their effectiveness, how evolution selects on
   groups as well as on individuals has been studied (and publicized) most
   recently by David Sloan
Wilson<http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=1&url=http%3A%2F%2Fevolution.binghamton.edu%2Fdswilson%2F&ei=3V7qSKWKM4KMsAPe87SZCg&usg=AFQjCNEh5yajO931TbTPBmgv0J8AtID1ig&sig2=5tuzmrB21Zn2jzOw4BBoNw>
   .

Both of these issues are extraordinarily important. They are both relevant
to effective government. But they don't offer simple one-line solutions.

-- Russ


On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 11:04 AM, glen e. p. ropella
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> Thus spake Steve Smith circa 10/06/2008 10:46 AM:
> > That said, I'm not offering a better plan, though I agree that big
> campaign
> > contributions are a problem in almost every case.
>
> But big campaigns (and big campaign contributions) are just a symptom of
> non-local (big) government.  As long as we have a single government that
> governs 3.5 million square miles, we will have complex laws with lots of
> loopholes and aggressive special interests who drive campaigns (with
> money).
>
> The problem, in my view, lies with the way government accumulates upward
> to a peak.  Granted, we have a decent system so that government
> accumulates upward to 3 (or 4, if you include the free press) peaks.
> But, it's still going from 300 million humans and 3.5 million mi^2 up to
> 3 peaks and 68 mi^2.
>
> I would suggest that the myriad problems with our government don't lie
> in any one identifiable cause, but are instead peppered throughout the
> accumulation... the way household government accumulates to neighborhood
> associations, villages, cities, counties, states, feds, etc.
>
> I'm totally ignorant of political science; but I wonder how much
> coherent work is out there on various objective-satisficing methods for
> accumulating government?  I'm not talking about silo'ed research like
> "methods of state government" or "methods of county government", but
> methods for accumulating all the way up from (psychological)
> self-government of the individual to President, Congress, and the
> courts.  Surely there exists some (by now, half-insane) systems theory
> people out there who've been ranting about this sort of accumulation, eh?
>
> --
> glen e. p. ropella, 971-219-3846, http://tempusdictum.com
>
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