Cool beans! (not the Java kind)
Here in Italy, everyone is waiting for the Complex to come up with
the next paradigm for urban data management…
Santa Fe carries quite a cachet… I look forward to a simple,
elegant Occamesque solution that will revolutionize my world of
urban and environmental management and planning. The mother of all
platforms. The paradigm to end all paradigms. Urban Data Agents
and Pipes…
Meanwhile, I will enjoy the Redentore festival here tonight,
celebrating the end of the plague of 1575…
Obviously people remember BAD things much longer than the good stuff…
Ciao
Fabio
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-----Original Message-----
From: discuss-boun...@lists.sfcomplex.org [mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.sfcomplex.org
] On Behalf Of Owen Densmore
Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 6:25 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Cc: General topics & issues
Subject: [sfx: Discuss] Re: [FRIAM] JavaScript ecology
Sweet!
I did fail to describe what motivated the conversation to begin with:
writing sophisticated client/server/peer applications in team
programming projects.
Ones you write both the client, server and communication code. Not
"pick a CMS and use it". Something big. And new. And who's "Hello
World" really could span the globe. And one who's deployment was
*really* simple .. in this case one URL.
Most of us do not do this sort of thing. We build a core technology
project for a minimum of 5 years in a solid language: C/C++/Java/...
Or we build shorter projects like web sites using a CMS, mainly
server
side, matching our skills or our client requirements, hopefully both.
But when you really have to do something new as Steve and I did
recently which mixed Google App Engine, Google Data Store, Google
Maps, team SVN usage, JavaScript, XML/Ajax, Python, lat/lng to/from
street addresses, HTML/CSS, DOM parsing, Cloud computing, ... you
start to re-think your options.
One huge and humbling surprise: how difficult it is to use two
different languages (Python and Javascript) in equal measure on a
single project. I had prided myself on being able to use a lot of
different languages .. but I never did so on one project.
This is important for the sfComplex, where we are striving to build a
project space, doing many sophisticated team projects blending
science, tech, visualization, client/server/peer computing. This is
harder than we had thought.
Hence the interest in a way to simplify, yet remain sophisticated.
May fail, due to all the below. But maybe not.
-- Owen
On Jul 17, 2009, at 10:04 PM, Douglas Roberts wrote:
> Ooh! My kind of a comment. Gloomy, pessimistic, dark.
>
> I like it!
>
> On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 9:54 PM, Dale Schumacher <dale.schumac...@gmail.com
> > wrote:
> Build not your house on sand.
>
> Regrettably, I fear it is far too late for that advice.
>
> As Crockford himself writes, there were a lot of poor
implementation
> decisions made in the design of JavaScript. And there are a lot of
> people who've written code that relies on what he called the "Awful
> Parts" and the "Bad Parts".
>
> JavaScript and its derivatives are certainly important, and
increasing
> popular, technologies. And it's ubiquitous availability has
> definitely led me to use it, for web design, but also for
prototyping
> other ideas. Ultimately, I expect, its design flaws will lead to a
> collapse, forcing us to move on to yet another platform.
>
> Enjoy the ride.
>
> On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 6:13 PM, Owen Densmore<o...@backspaces.net>
> wrote:
> > At Friam today we discussed the latest buzz about javascript and
> it's
> > renaissance in the computing world.
> --- lots of excellent information removed. see the original
thread for
> details ---
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