Doug, 

you wrote ====>

"Once I've attached the 'emergent' label to a phenomenon, I now know that I can 
apply the following scientific methodologies to solve my problem:"

Well, the experimental method or the comparative method, depending upon the 
domain we are dealing with.  One has to tease apart the effect of the 
configuration of elements from the effects of the simple presense of the 
elements.  

Here's an example:  Once upon a time, many people assumed that a set of 
properties possessed by groups of monkeys occured because of the manner in 
which groups were organized.  Forty years ago, hoping to demonstrate this, I 
did a sseries of experiments in which the members of an artificial social group 
were convened dyad by dyad ... in other words the group had never met as a 
group but all the potential dyads of the group had met and had an opportunity 
to behave.  Then I summed the dyadic behavior accross all the itneractions and 
wrote it up as if I was describing a group in the field.  The variables of 
interest were indistinguishable.  Therefore, I supposed, triadic, tetradic, 
n-adic etc., intereactions were not essential to the traditionally observed 
patterns in the variables of interest.  So far as these animals were concerned 
and these variables being in a social group was just like meeting all the other 
members of the group one by one.  

Now, I dont really believe this to be true, but that was the answer I got, and 
had I not tired of running a monkey concentration camp, I would have continued 
research on this subject, and it would have been a study of the emergence of 
social order in monkeys.  

Nick 



 

 

Nicholas S. Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Ethology, 
Clark University ([email protected])
http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/




----- Original Message ----- 
From: Douglas Roberts 
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Sent: 10/11/2009 8:43:13 PM 
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] A question for the emergentists among you




"Once I've attached the 'emergent' label to a phenomenon, I now know that I can 
apply the following scientific methodologies to solve my problem:" 
 
a) ...
b) ...
c) ...

--Doug



On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 8:25 PM, Nicholas Thompson <[email protected]> 
wrote:




let me take a quick whack at this. 

 
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