Eric,
I certainly don't object. I am not sure I have a copy of that paper myself.
Seeing it would be like meeting an old friend in the Philadephia railway
station..
N
Nicholas S. Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Ethology,
Clark University ([email protected])
http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/
http://www.cusf.org [City University of Santa Fe]
----- Original Message -----
From: ERIC P. CHARLES
To: [email protected]
Cc: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Sent: 3/23/2010 9:28:38 AM
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] How to Begin?
Nick actually wrote an yet-unpublished paper about cognitive blindness to
complex explanations of group phenomenon (i.e., our bias towards asserting that
specific individuals were responsible for whatever happened). I have a copy
around here somewhere if people were interested (and Nick did not object).
Eric
On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 10:43 AM, [email protected] wrote:
Nick Thompson may deny being a proper "social psychologist"
but he certainly hung about with social psychologists for
enough years that his remarks on such matters as "cognitive
biases and group think"--should he choose to make any--would
be well worth attending to (if only to determine a basepoint
for subsequent jeering). And his admitted expertise in
ethology and primatology might be apposite too.
So pipe up, Nick.
Lee Rudolph
On 23 Mar 2010 at 10:32, Ted Carmichael wrote:
> That actually sounds cool. There's probably a lot of potential to work on
> stuff that includes cognitive biases and group think and such. You ever
> read Richard Feynman's take on the Challenger disaster? Might be a good
> reference for you ... probably, you can find it in one of his books, where
> he talks about it at length. It's an interesting story in and of itself.
>
> Have fun!
>
> -Ted
>
> On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 12:22 AM, Vladimyr Ivan Burachynsky
<[email protected]
> > wrote:
>
> > Thanks for the responses and the advice, I hope to work my way
through
> > the unusual protocols. I am trying to reply to Stephen Thompson and
Ted
> > Carmichael.
> >
> > I could not find a Reply button on the Friam newsgroup pages.
> >
> >
> >
> > You could say I have a pretty classic (Basic) background in
Biology and
> > Engineering. I have always been very uneasy with the concept of
species and
> > groups in general.
> >
> > I have run into a few examples in entomology that seem to bend the
rules
> > quite a bit and then there are the orchid hybrids that seem to make a
> > mockery of speciation.
> >
> >
> >
> > I am interested in the phenomenon of "Group Thinking"
Amusingly I dispute
> > the existence of groups and thinking in this case. Perhaps the
observer had
> > an unintentional bias. I recently heard of a psychological situation
> > referred to as the "Abilene Experiment" I hope I got it
right. I would like
> > to play with the agents to reproduce bizarre human social behavior.
> >
> >
> >
> > This may seem flaky but I would love to work with defective agents
that
> > appear externally normal.
> >
> > Coming from years of engineering work I am always amazed at the
nature of
> > accidents, complex system failures. Inevitably people seem to be at
fault
> > because they believed they were right at the wrong time. Even after an
> > accident they insist some one else was to blame. Perfectly sane people
> > believe in the most absurd ideas at the wrong time. It has made me
suspect
> > that there is a limit to how complex any system can get before it
collapses,
> > which has frightening implications.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Well thanks gentlemen and I will report back on my progress with
NetLogo. I
> > must be the first ever to wish to program stupid autonomous agents!
> >
> >
> >
> > *Dr.Vladimyr Ivan Burachynsky*
> >
> > *Ph.D.(Civil Eng.), M.Sc.(Mech.Eng.),
M.Sc.(Biology)*
> >
> >
> >
> > *120-1053 Beaverhill Blvd.*
> >
> > *Winnipeg, Manitoba*
> >
> > *CANADA R2J 3R2*
> >
> > *(204) 2548321 Phone/Fax*
> >
> > *[email protected]* <[email protected]>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > *From:* [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
*On
> > Behalf Of *Stephen Thompson
> > *Sent:* March 21, 2010 9:40 PM
> > *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
> > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] How to Begin?
> >
> >
> >
> > Vladimyr:
> >
> > I am a lurker on this site listening to interesting ideas. I recently
> > started looking into
> > agent-based systems. I started out with a Teaching Company lecture
series
> > entitled
> > Understanding Complexity by Prof Scott Page. He is a visiting Prof at
> > Sante Fe.
> > The course is just introductory content without any computational
> > exercises.
> > (www.TeachingCompany.com) Its a great introduction to the
field. Its a
> > nice way
> > pass the morning commute.
> >
> > Dr Page suggested the following books as well:
> >
> > > Agent-Based Models by Nigel Gilbert
> > > Simulation for the Social Scientist by Nigel Gilbert and Klaus G
> > Troitzsch
> > > Complexity A Guided Tour by Melanie Mitchell
> >
> > I added another book Dr. Page was too modest to suggest:
> > > Complex Adaptive Systems: An Into to Computational Models of
Social
> > Life.
> > by John Miller and Scott Page.
> >
> > I also downloaded the NetLogo system, but as yet have not installed
it.
> >
> > I recently came across a web-site by a regular member of this forum,
> > Owen Densmore. Its at
> >
> > http://complexityworkshop.com/
> >
> > I have not explored it yet.
> >
> > My background is in mortgage finance. Sorry nothing interesting like
> > default
> > swaps, just old fashioned commercial mortgage loans. I recently
completed
> > a
> > degree in software engineering so I am looking forward to the
programming
> > aspects
> > of agents. I do this on my own time, so I have been focusing on more
of
> > the
> > background before I start the computational aspects.
> >
> > Steph T
> >
> >
> >
> > Ted Carmichael wrote:
> >
> > Hey, Vladimyr -
> >
> >
> >
> > I'm not in Santa Fe - I'm at UNC Charlotte, near the other coast -
but I
> > also work with complex systems and such. If you're not familiar with
it,
> > NetLogo is an excellent toolset for rapid prototyping of agent-based
> > systems. They continually update it, it's free, and there's tons of
> > support, so you can learn programming pretty easily in it.
> >
> >
> >
> > A good book might be M. Mitchell's newest: Complexity: A Guided Tour.
Well
> > written and thorough. Also, I always recommend Steve Johnson's
Emergence:
> > The Connected Lives of Ants, Brains, Cities, and Software. A little
more
> > towards the general audience, but some excellent examples of CAS.
> >
> >
> >
> > I'm sure others will have some good recommends as well.
> >
> >
> >
> > Good luck!
> >
> > -Ted
> >
> > On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 7:00 PM, Vladimyr Ivan Burachynsky <
> > [email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I am interested in communicating with people already working with
> > Complexity.
> >
> > As a scientist formerly working in epidemiology and more recently in
> > robotics, I have become increasingly interested in Non-linear
problems.
> >
> > Unfortunately my background is basically inappropriate and would like
a
> > little advice on how to get set up working with Autonomous Agents.
> >
> > Hopefully, some one can provide a little guidance. My background is
rather
> > complex and does include some programming efforts over the years but
AA is
> > a big leap from machine motion programs. Some day I may be able to
make a
> > significant contribution to the field using my few talents.
> >
> >
> >
> > I would like to travel to Santa Fe and listen in on your lecture
series.
> >
> > Vladimyr
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > *Dr.Vladimyr Ivan Burachynsky*
> >
> > *Ph.D.(Civil Eng.), M.Sc.(Mech.Eng.),
M.Sc.(Biology)*
> >
> > *120-1053 Beaverhill Blvd.*
> >
> > *Winnipeg, Manitoba*
> >
> > *CANADA R2J 3R2*
> >
> > *(204) 2548321 Phone/Fax*
> >
> > *[email protected]* <[email protected]>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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