And what about popomo <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-postmodernism>?
Robert C
On 10/22/10 1:14 PM, Nicholas Thompson wrote:
So how do we "convince" in pomo scholarship. Bribery? Threats? If
not logic, what legitimate inducements to agreement are available?
Nick
*From:*[email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf
Of *Genie Giaimo
*Sent:* Friday, October 22, 2010 9:57 AM
*To:* [email protected]; James Cordova
*Cc:* James Laird; Vincent Hevern; ForwNThompson; [email protected]
*Subject:* Re: Chomsky Supports Thompson
Hey all,
Think this is problematic simply because with the introduction of post
modernism (and arguably other earlier movements) authors are not
always looking for logical conclusions for why people are the way they
are. Think about A Clockwork Orange for example. In po-mo form and
content sometimes break down and people do things for reasons that
seem beyond a logical "oh it was their childhood or x y and z
experience that did it"--I really am convinced that we are working
within two different frameworks that overlap but in a problematic way
because of the difference in outcome that is expected in the two.
Genie
On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 10:28 AM, James Cordova <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
From Skinner's "Science and Human Behavior"
"Social stimuli are important to those to whom social reinforcement is
important. The salesman, the courtier, the entertainer...-- all are
likely to be affected by subtle properties of human behavior,
associated with favor or disapproval, which are overlooked by many
people. It is significant that the novelist, as a specialist in the
description of human behavior, often shows an early history in which
social reinforcement has been especially important."
And of course Skinner was also a novelist.
Best,
James
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Associate Professor
Director of Clinical Training
Department of Psychology
Clark University
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Subject: RE: Chomsky Supports Thompson
Vinnie,
Nice to see you chiming in.
Chomsky doesn't impress me, since he isn't very empirical. Now
if it was Skinner, who was both an empiricist and a novelist, that
would be impressive. Actually, since Skinner is dead, that would be
really, really impressive.
Isn't this all about the feeling of knowing and how that
differs (or not) from actual knowing? And there is lots of empirical
research demonstrating how easy it is to deceive people's feeling of
knowing, so that they feel they know something that they clearly
don't. and whatever skepticism we might feel about the existential
state of "real" knowledge, we can at least agree, I would think, that
knowing and feeling of knowing are different.
Jim
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Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 4:49 PM
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Subject: Chomsky Supports Thompson
Just to add to the mix:
Noam Chomsky (1988). Language and Problems of Knowledge:
"It is quite possible -- overwhelmingly probable one might guess --
that we will always learn more about human life and human personality
from novels than from scientific psychology."
[quoted in Peter Watson (2000). The Modern Mind. New York: Harper
Perennial, pp. 755-56]
I just read this and had to send it along.
Vinny
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