Yeah, OSX doesn't have enough market share to be interesting to bot herders.  
Apple iOS and Android may change that but so far the RBN and such haven't 
figured out how to make money off them.  BTW, don't think OSX or iOS aren't 
pwnable - all of the current crop of Adobe hacks work on them.

  Linux has even less market share and it's use for servers makes it less 
attractive (except for web-servers).  Servers make the Internet work - botting 
servers might cause the Internet to not work.  That could get unhealthy for the 
bright person who does it and interferes with a $2 trillion organized crime 
economy.

  The routing infrastructure (backbone, border, and edge) is mostly Cisco with 
Juniper running second and Foundry far behind.  While IOS is based on BSD, 
every model runs a different version - Cisco is heterogenous.  Nation state 
attacks on routing are probable - criminal attacks are not.

Ray Parks


----- Original Message -----
From: Owen Densmore [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2010 07:04 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] [sfx: Discuss] What is Going on with wikileaks

On Dec 22, 2010, at 5:33 PM, Parks, Raymond wrote:

> Note - the following advice is for Winders - there are no significant botnets 
> of OSX or Linux systems.

Really? Whew!  

But are you sure?  Seems to me that there are large number of linux/unix 
servers running many VMs, all of which could be compromised. And macs are 
getting pretty popular for not only desktops but phones and pads.  And what 
about all the smartphones, not just iPhones?  Wouldn't a couple of million 
hacked androids be interesting to the bot-net folks?  And game machines?  And 
AppleTV .. and heck, the TVs themselves even.

And the real fear for me is the future hacking of the routers themselves, most 
are running linux nowadays, right?

I guess its just the massive number of windows computers still is most logical 
due to the numbers.  I'm not at all sure windows is inherently more vulnerable 
than mac/linux, right?

   -- Owen


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