Don't you think Apple has been rewarded for all of these things?  What more do 
they need?


On Aug 10, 2011, at 11:52 AM, Owen Densmore wrote:

> Interesting quote from the URL you posted:
> Ultimately, the U.S. Department of Justice intervened, forcing Microsoft to 
> sell the patents it bought and demanding that the winning group (Microsoft, 
> Oracle, Apple, EMC) give a license to the open-source community, changes the 
> DoJ said were “necessary to protect competition and innovation in the open 
> source software community.” This only reaffirms our point: Our competitors 
> are waging a patent war on Android and working together to keep us from 
> getting patents that would help balance the scales.
> 
> So basically, I think Android as an open source based OS is pretty safe, save 
> for Oracle's claim it violates the Java Community Process.
> 
> Apple's attack is likely to be more difficult.  Android clearly has a very 
> iPhone-y UI, and the carriers/manufacturers (Samsung for example) tend to 
> make it even more so.
> 
> iPhone changed the industry, even forcing ATT to create new monthly data 
> plans.  It was a breath taking change.  I don't like Apple's hegemony but 
> they clearly need protection from copy-cat devices and services.  It really 
> does look odd that as soon as Apple's brilliant creativity nailed a new 
> market, built a brilliant device, created the "App" market and distribution 
> scheme .. you see exactly the same thing in the Android world.
> 
> Subtle: I do think creativity should be rewarded.
> 
>    -- Owen
> 
> PS: Interestingly enough, many Apps are still not available on Android.  One 
> reason, apparently, is that Android devices have a large number differences, 
> making a single Android app difficult.  Apple, on the other hand, makes it 
> increasingly easy to write one app for iPad, iPhone, iPod .. and with Lion, 
> even "computers".
> 
> Reminds me of the microsoft problem: app developers would have liked to have 
> a Mac product too, but found keeping up with all the versions of windows hard 
> enough to make Mac development not worth it.
> 
> On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 10:59 AM, Roger Critchlow <[email protected]> wrote:
> Google suggested last week ( 
> http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2011/08/when-patents-attack-android.html ) 
> that everything Android is under a coordinated attack.   The evidence is that 
> Apple and Microsoft are colluding to bid up patent portfolios to several 
> times their face value which prevents Google from gaining ownership of any 
> patents that could be used to defend Android.
> 
> It could be a very interesting anti-trust proceeding since the evidence is 
> all out there in plain sight.  
> 
> -- rec --
> 
> On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 9:35 AM, Owen Densmore <[email protected]> wrote:
> Whoa!  I knew Apple was after Google for its Java architecture, but now the 
> Samsung Tab for UI:
> http://www.iclarified.com/entry/index.php?enid=16416
> 
> I'll be a bit unpopular here and say, Yes, it really does look like Samsung 
> did very little original work here .. after all they're a hardware outfit 
> doing little more than cosmetic "branding".
> 
> But it's based on Android, so shouldn't Google be the target?  I suppose it 
> is, but Samsung is getting the brunt of it all.
> 
> This is going to be quite a battle .. looking at the article's image, the 
> average consumer would have assumed it was a nice, smaller sized addition to 
> the iDevice line.
> 
> In the phone world, I know Google has a "standard UI" and that most handset 
> manufacturers mess with it to be their own (often making a mess of things and 
> wasting your battery for you!).  It seems Android phones have not had this 
> level of patent threat from Apple.  The OS is certainly not an infringement.  
> But I guess the UI and look-alike design is under attack.
> 
>         -- Owen
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