How to make people feel they are part of a Group...
If they collectively decide to cover up a crime through willful
blindness then they establish some certainty that they belong.
Groups seem to demand that individuals Believe the unBelievable. It
seems that some human beings have the capacity to smooth out ethical
contradictions by simply choosing to live in another reality. When
many people choose to live in the same delusion they are effectively a
Group.
There seems to be a belief that Groups can exonerate the individual
through Magic and Amnesia. The recent news of sexual crimes in Penn
State reinforce this perspective.
The Group seems able to deny it's crimes while selecting a scapegoat
to carry their burdens. Groups seem much stronger when Criminality is
involved even though each individual denies it's existence. The Group
might be nothing more than a psychological construct to absorb Guilt
and at a high price.
Groups seem to choose Noble leaders to establish a pretense of
heroicism and much later dispose of the leader along with the memory
of their individual crimes
This seems characteristic of much current political drama. Reluctant
scapegoats fight tooth and nail to avoid the demand to be sacrificed
for the good people.
The Group has a fantastic attribute of Goodness which disguises the
Dark side of perversity. People mostly use this contradiction to
satisfy their own problems.
I would have thought that as our population increases that corruption
would prevail, however there do seem to be indications that many are
bucking the trend.
Groups seem very well devised to exclude individuals that have
questionable ethics. These Groups have inadvertantly created their own
nemesis.
The history of confronting corruption is dismal overall. Managers seem
particularly prone to Group Think and demonstrate that they are
absolutely convinced that they can ignore all legal responsibility for
individual acts. Society still is unprepared to prosecute Group Think
in all its devilish rationalizations.
The lack of meaningful leadership globally is perhaps due to so many
living I a delusional state of mind where someone else will always end
up being scapegoated.
At least Pontius Pilot tried to wash his own hands.
Vladimyr Ivan Burachynsky PhD
vbur...@shaw.ca <mailto:vbur...@shaw.ca>
120-1053 Beaverhill Blvd.
Winnipeg,Manitoba, R2J3R2
Canada
(204) 2548321 Land
(204) 8016064 Cell
*From:*friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com]
*On Behalf Of *ERIC P. CHARLES
*Sent:* October-27-11 9:32 PM
*To:* Gillian Densmore
*Cc:* Anne Rowland; The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
*Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] 99%, occupyWallStreet, Santa Fe, etc.
Gillian,
Hmmmm.... trying to put my evolutionary psychology hat on, and feeling
like I am not doing it quite as well as I should....
Humans ARE "programed" to do things for the good of their groups. The
question then is: How do we get people to feel as if they are part of
a group? and How do we get people to expand the size of the group they
feel they are part of? One subsection of those questions, a small, but
not insignificant part, is wondering: How do we get advantaged people
to include the disadvantaged as part of 'their' group?
Ultimately, if we had the right knowledge, this would be a perfect
problem to tackle with agent based modeling. If we knew what types of
experiences people needed to feel as if they were part of a group, and
we knew what types of experiences were needed to expand felt-group
size, then we start designing various worlds along various principles
to see which produce the best outcome. The complexity will be too high
to solve the problem any other way.
Alas... what are the factors?
Eric
On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 05:17 PM, *Gillian Densmore
<gil.densm...@gmail.com <mailto:gil.densm...@gmail.com>>* wrote:
Interesting discution going on here. Feeling like one of the 99% on some levels.
Rich Muray's proposed list on some levels makes sense.
Higher min wage for example how are you suposed to actually live on
$9.00 an hour?
even full time that's only 360 a week (before tax). Ouch.
Another one that stuck out was free health care- could work. Depending
on how it's implimented.
The general idea of more stuff taken for baseline for more (or all )
citizens and increasing the quality of life would seem to provide some
net benifits.
I think Nick asked how it gets funded wich might realy be asking: as
humans are we willing to pool together a pot of money to increase the
quality of life for all?
Just as a here in the comunity example:
I'm going to school to (theoreticly) increase my odds of being a
productive citizen by X%. Should one of the applications and varius
forms of asistance pan out I have a net X% extra chance of employment
at the end of the week I'd rather my hard earned money going to a pot
of money that helps raise quality of life for my self and others by
X%. Theoreticly humans are programed to work together twards a better
good. At some point of year N things get jaded or complicated and as
Agents we loose sight that a healthy comunity of N people(or agents)
makes for a stronger whole.
Wouldn't it therefore be better to invest y sources of rescources
twards things that achieve that goal?
just my as a 0.2c as a agent among many.
.
On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 9:54 AM, Rich Murray<rmfor...@gmail.com <mailto:rmfor...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> Since my remarks were perhaps tersely shocking, here is a clear
> overview by James Traverse:
>
> http://www.beingyoga.com/
>
> [ For more, search Google "nonduality"... ]
>
> Know Thyself
>
> Be a Light unto Yourself
>
> "Form is Seeing and Seeing is Being." ~ Atmananda Krishna Menon
>
> "Being is Seeing and Seeing is Doing" ~ James Traverse
>
> "Liberation is from the person, not for the person" ~ Jean Klein
>
> Mistaken identity, the wrong turning of the mind, is the cause of all
> conflict and discord. The solution is the living understanding of your
> true nature which is not thought based knowledge as it is prior to
> thinking. Awareness is the means and the end.
>
> There is nothing to become since Being Awareness is already happening
> yet there is a returning to innocence knowingly as the false mentally
> generated knowledge of mistaken identity is seen and allowed to fall
> away. This Living Awareness as your true nature is the light of
> understanding that dispels the darkness of ignorance that is the root
> of mistaken identity and separation.
>
> "You cannot solve a problem from the same consciousness that created it.
> You must learn to see the world anew." ~ Albert Einstein
>
> The problem of mistaken identity is a problem of self-knowledge as
> false knowledge of your true nature. It is a mentally generated
> problem that is resolved by Awareness as the primal intelligence that
> sees the false as false and no longer supports it. In this way the
> impostor of mistaken identity dies through starvation - what remains
> is pure Awareness wherein all of your faculties are free to function
> without distortion.
>
> Enlightenment is a matter of discernment, not evolution. Thus there is
> no becoming enlightened; instead the veil of ignorance falls away
> through discrimination and there is seeing in-the-light of your true
> nature.
>
> Enlightened Being - Being is happening - Breathing is happening
> the Agent is the Actor - Love is what it does!
>
> "What nature makes you do instinctively you can optimise when you
> understand the law governing the process." ~ James Traverse
>
> ============================================================
> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College
> lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps athttp://www.friam.org
>
============================================================
FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College
lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps athttp://www.friam.org
Eric Charles
Professional Student and
Assistant Professor of Psychology
Penn State University
Altoona, PA 16601
============================================================
FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College
lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
