Whoops, sorry glen, I didn't read to the end of your post, missed the "*". I said what you already said. Sorry.
~~James On Apr 3, 2012 10:06 PM, "James Steiner" <[email protected]> wrote: > Option 1, use the network more (throw out chaff), won't work, unless you > are very sophisticated about the chaff you produce. Normal unecrypted > communications are easy to filter and sort. > > The real answer is For everyone to use *encrypted* communications more. > Aka SSL/VPN everywhere. > > The more we use encrypted communications for everyday things, there is no > new pattern to detect when we use it for...other...things. > > As for the outputs like twitter, discus(forum comment system), Reddit, > etc, it is key that anonymous or pseudonymous speech remain available. > > ~~James > On Apr 3, 2012 7:32 PM, "glen" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> ERIC P. CHARLES wrote at 04/02/2012 12:08 PM: >> > What is there to resist? What would such resistance accomplish? >> > Your options are to not care and go about your business as before, to >> learn to >> > talk in some sophisticated code, or to stop using the square. What else >> is >> > there? >> >> There are at least 2 other resistance routes ... possibly more. >> >> 1) Use tools like the internet _more_ ... as much as you can, and >> 2) Press for _laws_ that prevent asymmetries and the enforcement of >> those laws on asymmetric agents (like Presidents who commit crimes but >> bet -- and usually win -- that they'll never be prosecuted). >> >> (1) contributes to "security through obscurity". The more normal people >> use the media for normal activities, the more difficult it will be to >> de-anonymize (make personal) any subset of transactions. And while >> security through obscurity is terrible when used in isolation, it can >> help. [*] >> >> (2) The prevalence for openness we see in our youth is _not_ identical >> to apathy about who's snooping. The openness is, I think, a lack of >> wisdom about how asymmetric relationships can become. The problems >> don't lie in people _knowing_ that I have cats and what they look like. >> The problem lies in nefarious or all-powerful agents knowing that I >> have cats and what they look like. Any federal agency (by the very >> definition of "federal") sets up an asymmetric relation from the start. >> And _that's_ bad. Asymmetry always leads to abuse, unless it is well >> regulated. >> >> So, definitely don't just get used to it. Push for research into where >> anonymity fosters or hinders human rights. Push for open government. >> Guilt trip your friends into setting up and using GPG, Tor, BitTorrent, >> Etc. Use the internet for buying groceries and talking to grandma as >> well as downloading music and looking up bomb recipes. Etc. Do anything >> _but_ give up and get used to whatever bad situation you're in. >> >> [*] Using the commons for things other than specific "suspicious" >> activity is what the Occupy movement is all about. If we only encrypt >> our _important_ e-mails, then the NSA knows _exactly_ which e-mails to >> attack. It's so obvious I'm totally confused why more people don't >> support Occupy. We should not only protest in the commons ... we should >> also play chess there ... drink beer there ... play football there ... >> etc. >> >> -- >> glen >> >> ============================================================ >> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College >> lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org >> >
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