Bruce: Wow, very nice!  A+

I was about to mention that although the impact mass has on spacetime gives
a means for understanding gravity, it was outside of the interaction model
of the Standard Model of elementary particle physics.  In the SM, force
arises from an interchange particle exchange:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fundamental_interactions
In the conceptual model <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model_(abstract)> of
fundamental interactions, matter <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matter> consists
of fermions <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermion>, which carry
properties<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_property>
 called charges <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charge_(physics)>
andspin<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spin_(physics)>
 ±1⁄2 (intrinsic angular momentum<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angular_momentum>
 ±*ħ*⁄2, where ħ is the reduced Planck
constant<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reduced_Planck_constant>).
They attract or repel each other by exchanging
bosons<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boson>
.


Unfortunately, the unification of gravity with the rest requires a graviton
that has not yet been observed.

Merging general relativity and quantum
mechanics<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_mechanics>
 (or quantum field theory<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_field_theory>)
into a more general theory of quantum
gravity<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_gravity> is
an area of active research. It is hypothesized that gravitation is mediated
by a massless spin-2 particle called the
graviton<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graviton>
.


BUT the question is: do we have any bounds on the requirements of observing
such a critter?  In a way, this would render General Relativity to a
position to Newtonian physics, one in which has a still more fundamental
underpinning.

   -- Owen

On Sat, May 19, 2012 at 8:51 AM, Bruce Sherwood <[email protected]>wrote:

> To Nick: By the word "gravity" what a physicist means is merely "that
> kind of interaction that masses have with each other, mediated by the
> effects mass has on space".
>
> The word is useful, because there are four known kinds of
> "interactions": gravitational, electromagnetic, "weak" (the
> interaction responsible for example for the instability of the
> neutron, which when outside of a nucleus spontaneously decays into a
> proton, an electron, and an antineutrino), and "strong" or "nuclear"
> (the non-electromagnetic interaction among protons and neutrons in the
> nucleus which binds them together despite the electric repulsion
> between the protons). After these four kinds of interaction were
> identified in mid-20th-century, a framework was discovered within
> which the electromagnetic interaction and the weak interaction are
> seen to be different manifestations of the same underlying type of
> interaction, mediated by the exchange of photons (electromagnetism)
> and "vector bosons" (the weak interaction). Then a bit later it was
> discovered that the "electroweak" interaction could be unified with
> the "strong" or "nuclear" interaction. This unification is called the
> Standard Model. There are strenuous efforts to find some way to unify
> the Standard Model with gravitational interactions.
>
> So there's nothing mystical about "gravity" -- it's just a useful word
> for distinguishing a type of interaction that is very different from
> the other kinds. At the same time, it's silly to teach young children
> that things fall "due to gravity". That's a tautology.
>
> A comment on the contemporary physics concept of "interaction"
> (something we deal with in some detail in the first chapter of our
> intro physics textbook): Following the deep insights of Galileo and
> Newton, we expect an object to move with constant (vector) velocity
> (constant speed and constant direction, with no motion at all being a
> special case of constant speed) except to the extent that there are
> interactions with other objects. We in fact observe that when objects
> are isolated from other objects, they do tend to move with constant
> velocity (in the case of gravitational interactions you may have to
> get quite far away from other objects to see this).
>
> This gives us a rule for identifying when an interaction occurs: look
> for a change of speed and/or direction. If you see such a change, look
> for objects that might be responsible. This interaction-identification
> rule gets broadened to include as evidence of interaction any change
> in an object, such as a change of temperature. To put it succinctly,
> change we take as evidence of interaction.
>
> And a subrule: If you see no change in a situation where change is
> expected, that is indirect evidence for additional interactions that
> you might have failed to account for. As an example, consider a book
> lying on a table. Because there is a gravitational interaction between
> the book and the massive Earth, one expects the book to fall toward
> the Earth. That it doesn't fall is evidence for some additional kind
> of interaction, in this case the electric interaction between atoms in
> the bottom surface of the book and the top surface of the table. As
> another example, we observe that the speed of an object sliding along
> the floor decreases, and we therefore suspect an interaction, and we
> notice contact between atoms in the object and atoms in the floor and
> infer that there is an interaction between these atoms.
>
> Having established a way to identify interactions, the next step is to
> seek ways to quantify the amount of interaction, with it being
> implicit that we expect more interaction to cause more change
> ("constant velocity except to the extent that...."). Examples of such
> quantification are Newton's gravitational force law and Coulomb's
> electric force law. The "Newtonian Synthesis" then relates
> quantitatively the amount of interaction ("force") to the amount of
> observed change (change in speed, change in direction).
>
> Note carefully that this is not circular reasoning, though it is
> sometimes characterized as such. Relative positions, amount of mass,
> amount of electric charge, are used to predict amount of interaction,
> and amount of interaction is used to predict something about entities
> that are very different, such as speed and direction of motion.
> Newton's famous equation "rate of change of momentum is equal to net
> force" (dp/dt = F_net, alas bowdlerized in most intro physics courses
> to the far less powerful form F = ma, a form Newton never used), is
> powerful precisely because it relates two quantities that are utterly
> different in their ontology.
>
> To take a specific example, consider two electrically charged
> electrons repelling each other. Coulomb's force law is written in
> terms of the electric charge of the electrons and their relative
> positions and says absolutely nothing about mass or motion. The effect
> of the electric interaction is written in terms of electron mass and
> velocity. In the equation dp/dt = F_net, the equal sign can be deeply
> misleading. These quantities dp/dt and F_net are not the same entities
> but completely different. It was a deep insight on Newton's part to
> see that they were nevertheless connected causally.
>
> I can offer some additional insight into the issue of "action at a
> distance". For Newton and his contemporaries, the problem was its
> mysticism. For Einstein the problem was much more concrete: action at
> a distance is inconsistent with Special Relativity, and the limitation
> that nothing, not even information, can travel faster than the speed
> of light. Newton's (gravitational) and Coulomb's (electric)
> one-over-r-squared force laws do not contain time in their algebraic
> statements and therefore must be wrong, since they imply immediate
> effects at large distances. The fundamental concept that addresses
> these issues is the concept of "field", first introduced by Faraday,
> then broadened and deepened by Maxwell, Einstein, and the many
> mid-20th-century physicists who created "quantum field theory".
>
> The basic idea is that charged particles surround themselves with a
> web of interaction called a "field", and other charged particles that
> wander into this web are affected by the field. Similarly, masses
> surround themselves with a gravitational field, which affects other
> masses that wander into the region. If the "sources" of the field
> (charged particles or masses) move, there is a delay or retardation
> before distant locations experience a change in the value of the field
> at that location. So in a sense there is no action at a distance.
> Rather objects create fields, and another object interacts with the
> value of the field at the second object's location, NOT with the
> source object directly.
>
> For an introduction to the field concept, I can offer two videos. The
> first is a talk I gave to Santa Fe city government people motivated by
> the fact that public meetings on the citing of cell phone towers
> showed that even technically educated people often have no real
> concept of what an electromagnetic "field" is, and are accordingly
> fearful of such fields. You can see my talk "Electric Fields, Cell
> Towers, and Wi-Fi" on my home page,
>
>   http://www4.ncsu.edu/~basherwo
>
> Another source of insight is a lecture given by Ruth Chabay from the
> electromagnetism section of our physics course, "The Reality of
> Electric Field", Chapter 14, Lecture 4b, in this series of videos:
>
>   http://courses.ncsu.edu/py582/common/podcasts/
>
> Here she engages students in a thought experiment outlined in our
> textbook in which one sees retardation effects that show that the
> field is in some sense "real", not just a useful computational tool.
> You might also find interesting her lectures on mechanics:
>
>   http://courses.ncsu.edu/py581/common/podcasts/
>
> In these mechanics lectures, Chapter 1 Lecture 2 deals with the
> concept "interactions".
>
> Bruce
>
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