Yes, of course. But what do you really think, Marcus?
On Jan 14, 2013 9:47 PM, "Marcus G. Daniels" <[email protected]> wrote:

>  On 1/14/13 5:33 PM, Tom Johnson wrote:
>
> Update on the update:
> U.S. says Java still risky, even after security update
>
> http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/01/14/us-java-oracle-security-idUSBRE90D10P20130114
>
>  Microsoft CLR has had similar problems..
>
> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/security/bulletin/MS10-060
> http://www.dhses.ny.gov/ocs/advisories/2011/2011-040.cfm
>
> In practice Microsoft and Apple have a streamlined and  automated update
> system.   Other than that (that JVMs and Java libraries are comparatively
> stale), I don't see any reason to think that the JVM ought to be more or
> less porous than the .NET CLR.
>
> For example, I take scheduled operating system updates (whether it is
> Linux or Mac or Windows) right away, as well as browser updates (Firefox is
> pretty fast and basically automatic), but I am annoyed when Java wants to
> update, esp. on Windows where it is decoupled from O.S. updates, and sits
> in the notification area generally nagging me to take 10 minutes to do a
> heavy upgrade that I mostly don't need.
>
> So I claim that Sun/Oracle/Java is mostly guilty of failing to tightly
> integrate with desktop operating systems.  (Android not being desktop and
> it was not done directly by Oracle.)
>
> Also Oracle is a victim of Java's success.  It's a successful platform for
> portable code deployment.  It's great that DHS and security companies just
> define that away as insignificant and gratuitous.
>
> And this in contrast to C++ and C native code ABIs that can suffer buffer
> overrun exploits all over the place..?
>
> Marcus
>
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