Guarantee that it would cost less to have an editor do it than it would take in developers time to implement a software system to do even part of it. There are no existing language processing systems that could do it all.
And Nick, I can hear you thinking, "Why can't you just..." Probably don't want to go there until after you've designed, implemented, tested, put into production, and maintained your first software system. --Doug On Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 11:02 AM, Robert Holmes <[email protected]>wrote: > Or pay an editor to do it. Is the dollar value of Nick's desire to see > this properly recorded and archived greater or less than an editor's fee? > > Let's watch the free market in action. > > —R > > > On Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 10:46 AM, Owen Densmore <[email protected]>wrote: > >> I doubt if it could be automated without one of >> 1 - Serious obeying of an agreed upon structure of the emails >> 2 - Serious machine learning algorithms >> >> Instead, there are lots of tools that make it easier for you to do it by >> hand. An example is the class of "productivity tools" called outliners. >> Here's a discussion of a set of them. >> http://goo.gl/q27LJ >> Don't worry about their being mac oriented, there are web versions and >> versions for every computer. >> >> Another approach would be for us all to stop using mail and instead use >> something that lends itself to different "views" .. like outliners do. >> Using social media like Google+ etc help because they are designed to be >> "mashed up". >> >> Tom may have a handle of several such tools. >> >> -- Owen >> >> On Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 10:35 AM, Nicholas Thompson < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> EVERYBODY, >>> >>> This material is way too good to be packed down into the midden of old >>> email. SO! Once again, I am going to ask this group a question I have >>> asked >>> before: how can we develop conventions (or write a software program) that >>> will turn email correspondence into readable text. The three main >>> problems >>> are (1) headers (2) redundancy and (3) larding (which Steve Does here). >>> Larding is the practice of distributing ones response in the text. >>> >>> I suspect some simple conventions and a word macro would do the trick, >>> but >>> believe me, if you try to rescue one of these interchanges, it is VERY >>> hard >>> work. >>> >>> Nick >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Friam [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Steve Smith >>> Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2013 12:54 AM >>> To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group >>> Subject: [FRIAM] Cliques, public, private. >>> >>> Glen wrote (in response to my recent massive missive) - >>> > I will briefly match your story with one of my own, then jump to a >>> > conclusion. I used to do more tunneling than I do now. All growing >>> > up I maintained (almost disjoint) sets of acquaintances. In high >>> > school they had names: heads, jocks, brains, etc. Somehow, I managed >>> > to float easily between them, controlling information flow so that any >>> > antipathy one group had for another didn't bleed into an antipathy >>> > toward me personally. In elementary school and college, there were >>> > fewer names but sharper incisions. In elementary school, they were >>> very >>> temporary. >>> > In college, they were very long-lasting. E.g. if you "collapsed" into >>> > a Republican or perhaps a fan of Ayn Rand, you stayed there until long >>> > after college had ended. >>> I parallel your experience here. I grew up isolated from people in >>> general >>> and peers in particular. I had one sister 2 years older, my parents >>> with a >>> father who worked long hours. We mostly lived further >>> from other people than I could walk easily alone. When I arrived at >>> public school (a 2 mile walk, uphill each way, often in the snow) at age >>> 6 I had very limited social experience with anyone much less children my >>> age. I became very good, very quickly at integrating with any group. >>> There weren't many, it was a small school in a small town. But I was so >>> curious about other people and the dynamics of 3 or 5 or 9 boys running >>> like >>> a pack of wolves in the playground that I had to join in. I did not >>> distinguish gender and was happy to sit and make mudpies with the girls, >>> and >>> many of them were as at home "roping" my heels as I ran past (yes, the >>> school toys included lariats as well as kickballs) as the boys. >>> >>> By high school I was in a large town, small city where I could know all >>> of >>> my classmates (eventually a graduating class of 300) but not well >>> like I did with a class of roughly 20. I knew how to kick shit with >>> the stompers, I was clever enough to hang with the honor society kids, I >>> was >>> "hip" enough to hang with the drama kids, or the dopers if I wanted. I >>> was >>> not a team-sport kindof guy but was physical enough to >>> hang with the jocks. But I was never really "in". I was invited in. >>> But being fully "in" meant excluding members who were not "in". So the >>> Stompers had to pick fights with the Jocks and the Stoners and tease the >>> Drama and Band and Honor Roll kids. Similarly the Jocks and Stoners >>> would >>> pick on the "good kids" and pick fights with the other "bad kids". When >>> I >>> would stand up for the good kid they were picking on or refuse to join >>> the >>> rising rumble amongst bad kids on any side, I was >>> marked... I must be "one of them". It never really caused me much >>> trouble except that it was clear that I wasn't one of them and would >>> never be even though I shared many of their interests and attitudes. I >>> was as tough as most of the jocks or cowboys and the Stoners could be >>> pretty >>> mean but well, they were always stoned, so... whatever... but I was also >>> a >>> good student and *liked* most of the band/drama/smart kids >>> even though they could be tweaks. But I also *liked* and identified >>> with the cowboys (grew up pretty much as one), and the jocks (liked being >>> athletic) and even the stoners (had my own outlaw side). So what was all >>> the clicquing and intolerance about? Really? And why was I one >>> of the few who could cut across those picket lines? And one of the few >>> who didn't want to be a member of any one enough to reject the others? >>> >>> Later it was politics... I knew I didn't want to hand my body and soul to >>> the US military under the circumstances of the Vietnam War... I wasn't >>> sure >>> it was a bogus war as many of my peers seemed to be, but I >>> wasn't sure it was righteous as the remaining peers seemed to be. My >>> leftie friends were sure I was a rightie and my rightie friends were >>> sure I >>> was a leftie and since I'd read too much Ayn Rand and Bob Heinlein >>> before I >>> had matured, I should have been a Libertarian but damned if they didn't >>> all >>> seem like arrogant, selfish pricks to me. >>> This holds with me to today. I voted for Obama twice for reasons which >>> probably don't fit those of anyone else who voted for him (hyperbole) >>> and I >>> would have voted for McCain when he was going up against Bush but not >>> after >>> he picked up Palin... I am a big Gary Johnson fan on many topics, but >>> couldn't stand to throw my vote this time just to make a point. >>> >>> As for public/private, I didn't hide my affinity with these groups in >>> high >>> school... but they played "don't ask, don't tell" right up until I had to >>> confront someone(s) about their exclusive (and abusive) behaviour >>> of my friends who might not be "inside". I wasn't afraid the jocks >>> would find out I got good grades or that the stoners would find out that >>> I >>> rode horses, or that the goodie two-shoes would realize that I was >>> willing >>> to break school rules or even real laws if it suited me >>> enough. But I also had and required a private life. I spent hours of >>> my time alone, enjoying the privacy of my own thoughts and actions. If >>> anyone had insisted on taking that kind of privacy from me, I would have >>> been furious. My parents, my teachers, my bosses, my friends all >>> managed not to conspire to invade my private spaces, private times. >>> Yet I had acquaintances who endured close supervision to the point of >>> parents or teachers or bosses practically expecting to be able to read >>> their minds. I watched people trade their privacy of thought and >>> action for acceptance and approval. >>> >>> > I maintained my cross-group faculties until long after college. I >>> > think it's what allowed me to successfully transition to the SFI from >>> > Lockheed Martin. >>> It served me well at LANL, even after it became somewhat of a hellhole >>> (apologies to Marcus and others still there, I'm not saying it is that >>> for >>> you, just that it became that for me after 20 something years). >>> > Nowadays, however, I have >>> > grown impatient with entertaining others' stories and ideas. >>> Then I am honored that you have entertained mine so far with some >>> superficial level of patience <grin>. >>> > When/if I >>> > deign to argue with someone, my rhetoric is (seemingly) full of non >>> > sequiturs because I want to skip to the end ... and having made a >>> > lifetime out of arguing, I believe myself to be capable of predicting >>> > where an argument will end up. >>> You don't hold a candle to my wife who is twice as smart as I ever will >>> be, >>> but also not particularly linear. She doesn't just skip steps she makes >>> 270 >>> degree turns while I'm not looking without deigning to bring me up to >>> speed. >>> I take a lot of beatings when I argue with her, but I think I'm a better >>> listener and thinker for it. >>> > That impatience has seriously damaged some of the relationships >>> > I've had with people who _thought_ they liked me. >8^) But, in the >>> > end, I remember the quote from FDR (I think): "I ask you to judge me >>> > by he enemies I have made." >>> Well, it is probably auspicious that I started out thinking I *didn't* >>> like you. I didn't like Doug when I met him the first time... but >>> "curmudgeon" grows on me I guess. >>> > Anyway, because I am a professional simulant >>> Wow, that sounds like a line right out of Bladerunner... did you say >>> Simulant or Replicant? >>> > , I still have to maintain >>> > an ability to tunnel in and out of gravity wells. When I engage a new >>> > client and go through the requirements extraction process, my old >>> > facility with perspective hopping revives and I end up having fun. >>> Yup, I know the game, and play it well (enough). >>> > Conclusion of this silly missive: I'd like to be able to run some >>> > experiments like the following. Take all the guns from all the gun >>> > advocates and hand them to the gun controlists. Force them to use and >>> > abuse the guns for a significant amount of time. >>> I was thinking impregnating every man who was anti-choice and forcing >>> them to birth and raise the babies. It might not change their mind >>> about abortion (I actually hope it wouldn't) but it might make them a lot >>> more sympathetic and nurturing toward the women who *do* choose abortion. >>> And it would also keep them off the streets in the meantime. >>> > Then compare surveys >>> > taken before and after the experiment. A similar experiment with any >>> > given tool would be interesting. >>> You'll have to pry my cordless drill and oscilliscope from my cold, dead >>> fingers! >>> >>> > I know I'd like a few months to play with our army of drones in >>> > foreign countries, for example. >>> And I'd like to watch a few third world countries play with our army of >>> drones in our country for a few months. Well, not really. I suppose I'd >>> rather see what a few dramatic performance and guerilla artists did with >>> them instead. >>> >>> -Steve >>> >>> ============================================================ >>> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >>> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe >>> http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >>> >>> >>> ============================================================ >>> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >>> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College >>> to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >>> >> >> >> ============================================================ >> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College >> to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >> > > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > -- *Doug Roberts [email protected] [email protected]* *http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins*<http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins> * <http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins> 505-455-7333 - Office 505-672-8213 - Mobile*
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