Ross -
I haven't read the posts but I would have thought someone would have noticed 
it's not a bi-annual time change and corrected the subject line.

BTW, the petition doesn't say biannual, does it?
Thanks for putting this straight. I was loathe to add *that* nitpick (it *is* substantive but I assumed collectively understood) but I'm glad you brought it up for one particular reason:

Josh just pointed out to us that in fact the government(s) have the power to declare *official* time (and calendar and ...) note the Ge'ez Calendar ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethiopian_calendar ) as observed in Eritrea and Ethiopia... not all that different from our "own" but is it 2013 or is it 2006 this year? Who knows really?

What probably irks me most about some of our discussions here is that while I'm sure we are all fairly well educated, learned, sophisticated people, we have a tendency to notice something that irks us (oops I might be getting recursive here) and we treat it (in this case the semiannual clock shift to create what we call Daylight Savings Time) as if it were not already carefully thought through... then we offer a *much more ill thought through* solution that *at best* optimizes one feature that we might be focused on at the time as if *that* actually helps anything.

Not to pick on Owen (too much) but when he took exception to another hemisphere (not to mention culture yet) not aligning with us (or not negotiating with us until agreement was reached?) in the choice of timing of the clock change, he directly neglected the (obvious?) problem of north/south hemispheres, just as I think he did when he suggested year-round clock skew. He either is a natural early riser and doesn't find trying to make 8AM appointments in the dark hard or doesn't have 8AM expectations and neglected to imagine that many people need to start their day an hour or three before the rest of us (how else does your newspaper make your doorstep before you wake or the coffee and croissants be steaming hot when you arrive well before the magic 8AM, or ...). Nick I think, pointed out that school children trying to make a 7:30 or even 8:30 first period might be standing at the bus stop as much as an hour before sunrise if we kept the hour-skew through the dead of winter (at higher latitudes).

Arlo suggested registering the clock to the sunrise (managed by the magic of computers I guess) might be more highly motivated and my instincts agree but without shifting the length of hours (stretching minutes and seconds with them?), we can't keep it registered on sunrise *and* sunset simultaneously (I think he suggested that). If anyone could do it, I suspect Arlo could actually build (or design anyway) an analog mechanism to model the sunrise/sunset throughout the year (though if you read the later diatribe on the Analemma, Apsides and Solstices, it is likely his analog model would be no less than a full Orrery with spinning, tilting, elliptically orbiting planets and moons and all!). The map is not the territory.

My point, as much as I ever have (a succinct) one is that we seem to be a group of people quick to notice the obvious flaws in one thing or another (DST details, cell coverage, best plan, best phone, best design for a tinfoil hat, Google responsiveness to buggy HW/SW, etc.) then imply or even line out specifically our own remedy, which of course has obvious (or to be fair, mildly hidden) flaws of it's own. Or more to the point optimizes one or two features at the loss of *all of the others*.

Is this arrogance (that we assume our immediate knee-jerk intuitive irritation and response-to-it is superior to more broadly considered solutions) or is it our general self-selection (as members of the list first and ones willing to speak up second) as optimizers and problems solvers? Some would suggest that the psuedonymity or asynchronousness of network communication supports this kind of brainstorming-as-problem-solving. Perhaps it is just that, what occurs here is really just brainstorming even if it often masquerades as problem solving? No diss to brainstorming, just noticing my own reactions to our discussions.

Many here are professional "modelers" so we know that "all models are wrong, some are useful" which suggests we also understand that we can only optimize what we model and that multi-variate optimization is always a trade-off with combinations of muddied averages or hierarchies of deference within the model space minimizing distances to Pareto Frontiers or somesuch. For example, none of our DST discussions acknowledged Nick's early (last Autumn?) mention of the Lemniscate Analemma <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analemma#Times_of_sunrise_and_sunset> and the misalignment of our apsides with our solstices leading to the days getting longer or shorter asymmetrically throughout the year (sunrises shifting faster or slower than sunsets).

I'm not really trying to bust anyone in particular (Owen and Doug can take the heat) but rather seeking a meta-discussion on the question of why/how groups like this (and we are our own Petri dish for observation/experimentation?) have this tendency.

I enjoy the freewheeling nature of this list (why else would I often read it in it's entirety and respond so voluminously?) so I'm not necessarily trying to shut anything down or significantly change the narrative (dialogue, multi-monolog?), just get a deeper understanding/appreciation of it's true nature.

Hmmm,
 - Steve


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