Well, I have a 50k ascii file with all my passwords and "security
questions" in it.  It's ~800 lines long, but that doesn't mean 800
accounts, since some accounts require lots of security questions.  Plus,
I keep track of some old passwords after I change them and such.  I keep
this file encrypted with GPG.  I shred
<http://www.gnu.org/software/coreutils/manual/html_node/shred-invocation.html#shred-invocation>
the unencrypted file each time I edit it... but it's not clear to me
whether an unencrypted copy hangs around for awhile or not... plus, one
of my machines uses SSD, which presents some issues
<http://static.usenix.org/events/fast11/tech/full_papers/Wei.pdf> of its
own.

But in the wake of this story
<http://www.troyhunt.com/2013/12/introducing-have-i-been-pwned.html> and
the Pony story
<http://blog.spiderlabs.com/2013/12/look-what-i-found-moar-pony.html>, I
decided to change a bunch of my passwords today.

Does anyone have the data for the SSH credentials that were compromised?
 I can't imagine mine would be in there.  But it did remind me that I
don't have a practical policy for updating those.


On 12/05/2013 11:08 AM, Owen Densmore wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 11:20 AM, Steve Smith <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
>>  150, 240, 900 !?
>>
>> ?!What!?  are you guys addicted to?   Including PINs for bank-cards (not
>> used online) I can't estimate over a dozen or two myself.
>>
> 
> Exactly!  But you do have > 100 and you know it!  How many on-line gifts?
>  How many forums, even for trivial use? How many mail lists? How many bank,
> credit card, paypal logins?  Amazon?  Google? Moocs? Travel related?
> Airlines? NetFlix/Hulu/iTunes? Gmail? Dropbox? GitHub? Clothing? Shopping
> in general? NYTimes and other news sources? LinkedIn, Facebook, Twitter,
> G+, ...
> 
> I could go on but dozens.  I seriously, Seriously doubt it.
> 
> 
>> OK maybe hundreds over decades, but ... current?
>>
> 
> Not so fast, mister!  They're still there and very hackable.
> 
> 
>> Admittedly, I have probably cranked through a similar number of
>> "throwaways" where I've signed up for something (because that is the only
>> way to sample/test) and then let the login die or go fallow (and my
>> hashword) with it.    But hundreds?  Really?  I'm worried about you guys!
>> They have groups and 12 step programs for things like this!
>>
> 
> Login die?  You sure?  And indeed, how many folks can "delete" an account?
>  Most don't have an obvious way do do so.
> 
> 
>> As for mnemonics or mental-hash-generators (hashwords?)... my decades of
>> high security environments where writing my password down anywhere
>> (including or especially electronically) or sharing it with anyone (e.g.
>> speaking it aloud) was a felony or low treason or something, I just can't
>> stand to see a password in clear text... it makes me cringe...   so a whole
>> spreadsheet of my family jewels... I just couldn't...
>>
>> I only wish there were a 2-factor system for the masses that isn't
>> spoofable (the ones that use your Mac address of your device are better
>> than nothing but not unspoofable by far).
>>
>> - Steve
>>
> 
> I am so worried about you guy who don't know just how many logins you have!
>  :)
> 
>    -- Owen
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 11:20 AM, Steve Smith <[email protected]
> <mailto:[email protected]>>wrote:
> 
>     150, 240, 900 !?
> 
>     ?!What!?  are you guys addicted to?   Including PINs for bank-cards
>     (not used online) I can't estimate over a dozen or two myself.  
> 
> 
> Exactly!  But you do have > 100 and you know it!  How many on-line
> gifts?  How many forums, even for trivial use? How many mail lists? How
> many bank, credit card, paypal logins?  Amazon?  Google? Moocs? Travel
> related? Airlines? NetFlix/Hulu/iTunes? Gmail? Dropbox? GitHub?
> Clothing? Shopping in general? NYTimes and other news sources? LinkedIn,
> Facebook, Twitter, G+, ...
> 
> I could go on but dozens.  I seriously, Seriously doubt it.
> 
>     OK maybe hundreds over decades, but ... current?   
> 
> 
> Not so fast, mister!  They're still there and very hackable.
> 
>     Admittedly, I have probably cranked through a similar number of
>     "throwaways" where I've signed up for something (because that is the
>     only way to sample/test) and then let the login die or go fallow
>     (and my hashword) with it.    But hundreds?  Really?  I'm worried
>     about you guys!  They have groups and 12 step programs for things
>     like this!
> 
> 
> Login die?  You sure?  And indeed, how many folks can "delete" an
> account?  Most don't have an obvious way do do so.
> 
>     As for mnemonics or mental-hash-generators (hashwords?)... my
>     decades of high security environments where writing my password down
>     anywhere (including or especially electronically) or sharing it with
>     anyone (e.g. speaking it aloud) was a felony or low treason or
>     something, I just can't stand to see a password in clear text... it
>     makes me cringe...   so a whole spreadsheet of my family jewels... I
>     just couldn't...
> 
>     I only wish there were a 2-factor system for the masses that isn't
>     spoofable (the ones that use your Mac address of your device are
>     better than nothing but not unspoofable by far).
> 
>     - Steve
> 
> 
> I am so worried about you guy who don't know just how many logins you
> have!  :)
> 
>    -- Owen
> 
> 
> 
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