FWIW, I remember the question well. I was too busy to respond in the way I wanted to. My lack of response wasn't because it was an uninteresting question. I didn't respond because the reasoning seemed fallacious. I still can't respond the way I'd like to, with a full explanation of what's wrong with the implication. But, since you inferred an identity between lack of comment and lack of interest, I'll throw a few inadequate words at the subject.

The most irritating part lies in the rampant equivocation around "innovation". Qualifiers like "genuine" and "copycat" set off alarm bells in my head. But the problems they cause pale in comparison to the confirmation bias embedded in the term "innovation".

It also relates deeply to the recent thread about "surviving" across infrastructure changes and the desire for zero-intelligence-tools ... this concept that you should not need to understand how a tool works in order to use the tool.

To me, all innovation is privately funded. It's the bringing-to-market that is "funded" in the sense I think you mean. Every innovator I've ever met devotes their _self_ to their inventions. They take un-quantifiable risk and commit unquantifiable resources to the development of that thing/process. Am I equivocating on "private"? Perhaps. Maybe "personal" is a better word. But my point survives my fallacy.

The people who devote their _selves_ to the construction of innovative tools/methods, are the funders of the innovations. The bags of money we usually refer to as "funders" follow quite closely with demand. And in a world of zero-intelligence-tool-users, are we really surprised there's little intelligence embedded in the tools brought to market by the money bags?

We can consider http://healthcare.gov a fine example. Is it innovative to socialize the risk pool in a way that "enlightened" capitalists can tolerate (if not profit from)? I'd say, yes, absolutely. Socialized risk is not novel. Websites aren't novel. "Esurance" isn't novel. Etc. The money bags (governments and NGOs) brought healthcare.gov to "market". But are we really going to say that they're the innovators? No, I'd rather blame/credit the small cadre of socialized medicine advocates peppered through our public citizenry (as well as many outside the country). I also consider blaming/crediting the "capitalists" who recognize our economy for the ecological complex system it is, yet understand that _people_ are the innovators (as well as everything else). And if the people are sick and dying, then our economy is sick and dying.

But more specifically re: what I think you want to talk about -- In my arguments with liberals, they often assert that there is no such thing as a "free market". I agree. But there's a flipside to their argument. It means there is no sharp distinction between public and private money bags. E.g. Yes, Bill Gates has near autocratic control over how his fortune is spent. But our governments were absolutely critical to his fortune. Without our government, his fortune would not exist (as it now exists, at least, perhaps not at all). Similarly, without the NGOs that help build things like airplanes or semiconductors, our government would not exist (as it exists, at least, perhaps not at all).

Every innovation is brought about from a complex interplay between the private and public sectors. To even make the distinction is enough to mark one as a "libertarian".



On 03/03/2014 09:42 AM, Pamela McCorduck wrote:
This was my original message on February 22.

Begin forwarded message:

*From: *Pamela McCorduck <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
*Subject: **Re: [FRIAM] WhatsApp ... Death of SMS?*
*Date: *February 22, 2014 at 5:14:43 PM EST
*To: *The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>

The Internet was conceived and first implemented by a small group of
government  and university researchers: J. C. R. Licklider, Bob Kahn,
Vint Cert, and several other pioneers. (So when I hear Silly Valley
Libertarians go on and on, the best I can do is laugh.)

My question to this august group is: now that the momentum for
innovation has moved to the private sector, are we going to see
nothing but these trivial, mostly copycat apps that make your eyes
glaze over? Is the private sector capable of genuine innovation?

Pamela









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