Nick, Owen's post actually made me think of the beginnings of the War Between the States rather than the aftermath - someone would have to win for there to be an aftermath.
The EU is more like the original thirteen colonies' Articles of Confederation, so I would expect that states' rights would not be a break-apart or civil war issue. If it does become an issue, there may be political pressure to force retention of the rebellious states (and I expect that other states on the path of Greece will join them). The big difference would be that an EU Civil War would not be an industrial war like the American Civil War - it would be a war among the peoples, primarily in cyberspace, and would be leveraged by Russia to increase their influence in the former Warsaw Pact as well as Greece. Normally, I would expect Turkey to take advantage of the weakness of their traditional enemy, but Turkey itself is having a low-key civil war between the Islamists and the Ataturk-style secularists. Ray Parks Consilient Heuristician/IDART Old-Timer V: 505-844-4024 M: 505-238-9359 P: 505-951-6084 NIPR: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> SIPR: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> (send NIPR reminder) JWICS: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> (send NIPR reminder) On Jul 6, 2015, at 3:19 PM, Nick Thompson wrote: O Anybody who lived through wwII knows that a heap of trouble can follow when a whole people is thrown to the dogs, as was the German population after WWI. Or for that matter, the American South after the Civil War. I am hoping for a positive response from the EU at this point. N Nicholas S. Thompson Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology Clark University http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ From: Friam [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Owen Densmore Sent: Monday, July 06, 2015 12:46 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Greek Crisis & Philosophy I love the No vote. The EU now faces "state's rights". -- Owen On Sun, Jul 5, 2015 at 7:23 PM, Marcus Daniels <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: When it comes to U.S. revenue vs. spending, perhaps some states in the red (as opposed to red states!) should worry about getting cut off by Washington? Now, New Mexico has a certain amount of visibility to Washington, but what about Mississippi, Alabama and Kentucky? One might imagine North Dakota could turn it around with fracking tax revenue. One can imagine that Greeks probably don’t like being treated like Kentucky. I’m sure Kentucky is nice, and they wouldn’t like to switch to their own currency. Or maybe they would! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_taxation_and_spending_by_state From: Friam [mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>] On Behalf Of Robert J. Cordingley Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2015 5:06 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: [FRIAM] Greek Crisis & Philosophy As part of my continuing search for understanding how the world works and the role of philosophy... 1st question: It's been pointed out in a recent Washington Post article<http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2015/07/04/a-hilarious-monty-python-sketch-explains-why-greece-is-in-a-huge-crisis/> that the fundamental problem in the current Greek crisis was epitomized in Monty Python's the Philosopher's Football Match (Wikipedia<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Philosophers%27_Football_Match> / Youtube<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ur5fGSBsfq8>) between Greece and Germany. Is it true? 2nd question, why does it seem that such a sketch works in the UK but never in the US? Robert C -- Cirrillian Web Development Santa Fe, NM http://cirrillian.com 281-989-6272<tel:281-989-6272> (cell) ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
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