Other sides worth considering are -Time: No one sane or sober should put up with the amount of time it takes DSL to do anything online. At present when I when I want to wach videos on a MOOC that range from as small as 4 minuts to as long as 20 it's AT LEAST 20 minutes to wait for the damn things to cache enough to wach with out pausing all the damn time. -Time: You want to cach up on the news? AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAAHHAHAHAHA I hate to laugh but that is an excersize in pain. -Time because right now any kind paches and fixes to everything software related over right now like pulling a bowling ball through your ears.
-Time Because it just plain sucks that a bunch of people are being gaint jerks (it's sunday) any won't admit it just sucks to have DSL to the home. Time Because you probably have other things to do in the day than HOPE what ever you want to do won't take so damn long it's a all day Adventure. -It's just the right and possibly fun thing to do! I for one don't particularly care who said who had coodese. I do find the situtation amusing and on the other side of the screen are smiling and just saying: In MY experience it bliping sucks. So what can I personally do about it? It just sucks that the other day some lady was almost to tears because she was rightfully concerned she lost some pictures, and my damn remote session to help her was a slide show. -It's election season. So if a Tech minded congressman or senator or whoever wants a snowballs chance on Kronos to get elected they better have a plan for NM's tech and internet. -Election season meens they can realisticly put it there agenda. -Funding- It's tricky to get funding for ventures here. But it's pleasently straitforward to do so (sort of). -BAZZINGA!- Software these days gets bug fixes fast. Those aint small. I speak to personel experience. Mint and Ubunto rock. But those updates need to come to me somehow. -Hard drives suck- It sucks WAY more to loose your stuff. The cloud rocks. But backups with what I have take a while. It's great my internet is rock solid and just works though. During snow or any kind of thunder storm My personal experience is that my internet and cell service when I may need to get people that know way more about cars Force Be With me that Bob doesn't need me because he's justifably woried about 999 issues and just wants a friendly face. Right now? and kind of magnetic interference makes that impossible That has to come to an end. The sooner the better. We right now frankly are bent over and take in the Blip with any sort of tech. NM is on bliping DSL. a 80's tech. I know I was proudly selected to be a DSL tester for cable co-op Palo Alto. Then an ADSL tester. I had a modem that looked like something someone would show point to at Ten-Forward while two young techies tell me about the phasing system over a cop of Xalaria. I think CyberMesa Kicks ass. But I think they can do way better Do we N-Need Gigabyte speed infra now? Hell yes we do! It has to come along with improvements to this fun quant quirkt town located in Eureka, where right now at Qazzars you can here Einstein and Tesela argue over wich Dark Toom to go on safari to first. And why not? ELEPHENTS IN THE ROOM: Can I speculate about what people on this list seem to be dancing around? SPECULATION? Cox is self named because there service sucks ass, and is fucking expensive, they're a bunch of dicks as far as I can tell so no one goes with them for long. Coolness! Option B: CyberMesa rocks: DSL for the most part. But they simply rock! KFA reliablity prices, great techies etc. So I for one have had enough of the...ONE option. Where is the OTHER option? Ya know the one where get bad ass portable Networking worthy of the name 2016 Bazzinga speeds where you find yourself screaming: To infinity and beyond? ? oO ELEPENTS IN THE ROOM: People don't want DSL because it's slow for what I suspect they do. and frankly no one sane or sober should put up with DSL they want options that don't suck: -They want to run bit-torrent to nab TV or radio shows that aren't availble. that other desnmore wants carde-blanch style tv and no cord. -Techies like to The Piratebay, Abadnbay, InternetArchieve and Linux to get stuff that simply aint avilable. So if I may paint a picture of why I suspect Friam somewhere between Frustrated and Infurated with tech in NM: They want the option to to do backups, hack node+colejet+javascript(or Bazzinga/ Brithon.IO), work from home and smoke me a kipper done by lunch to go get stoned and melt in the absurdly beteutiful suny beaches of SoCal like Orange County or CrystalCove, some prefer Montera or Olympea WA. while chilling and waxing poetic and talking about over a half a beer or two all while talking about the BlimpCataptains with two wonderfully energetic nephiews. You can't have that kind of lifestyle and fucking expensive and unreliable comcast/cox. It takes to damn long over CyberMesa. Bring on Ting. PowerGrid, StarNet and anyone else that is game to take on the challenge! ^_^ On Sun, Mar 6, 2016 at 12:28 PM, Edward Angel <[email protected]> wrote: > I agree with Marcus’ comments. > > In addition, lack of a competitive broadband infrastructure contributes to > the reasons it is so difficult to get companies to come to NM although the > terrible schools probably override all the other reasons. Of course better > broadband could only help with the schools. > > At present netflix and other streaming activities like games eat up > network bandwidth but as almost all applications become cloud based, the > demand for bandwidth for other purposes (backup, computing, word > processing) will certainly go up but it seems to a ways off before most > people will need gigabit connectivity. I’d worry more about the underlying > infrastructure more than whether my connection is via cable or fiber. > > Ed > __________ > > Ed Angel > > Founding Director, Art, Research, Technology and Science Laboratory > (ARTS Lab) > Professor Emeritus of Computer Science, University of New Mexico > > 1017 Sierra Pinon > Santa Fe, NM 87501 > 505-984-0136 (home) [email protected] > 505-453-4944 (cell) http://www.cs.unm.edu/~angel > http://artslab.unm.edu > http://sfcomplex.org > > > > > On Mar 6, 2016, at 11:05 AM, Nick Thompson <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Hi, Ed, > > > > Very interesting! > > I keep mulling this idea that broad band build-out *CAUSES* economic > development. Putting aside the correlation/causality problem for a bit and > assuming *per argumentum*that it does work, HOW does it work? In > practice, who uses gigabyte speed, and for what? Let’s say I am a small > business in Santa Fe making Widgets or selling Widget Repair Services. > Suddenly 1-gig broad band comes to my neighborhood, what am I suddenly > enabled to do that I couldn’t do before? I assume that if there is a group > of people in the World capable of giving that issue a good airing, it would > be this list. I would particularly like to hear from members in far-flung > places that have this sort of service. Is it available in Europe? > > Allow me to put the Luddite position. Here’s a quote adapted from Julian > Barnes’s *Flaubert’s Parrot.* > *“[Flaubert] didn’t just hate BROADBAND as such; he hated the way it > flattered people with the illusion of progress. What was the point of > scientific advance without moral advance? BROADBAND would merely permit > more people to LOG ON, meet and be stupid together.” * > My Inner Luddite assumes that the chief drivers of broadband-envy are > gaming and movie downloads. He finds neither of these activities morally > urgent. > > How is he wrong about this? Can somebody make the case? > > Nick > > Nicholas S. Thompson > Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology > Clark University > http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ > > *From:* Friam [mailto:[email protected] > <[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of *Edward Angel > *Sent:* Sunday, March 06, 2016 7:48 AM > *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group < > [email protected]> > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Ting Internet | Crazy fast fiber Internet for US > cities > > I have a difficult time believing that Ting will decide to come here. Some > of the reasons: > > The pricing is very interesting. Right now I pay about $60/month for 80 > mbps downloads and 5-6 mbps uploads. The service has been very reliable. So > it sounds good to have the possibility of getting gigabit speeds for only > another $30/month. The other side of this is that the $60/month is about > twice what I would pay for the speed I get elsewhere so it’s not clear that > the biggest contribution Ting might make is to lower the monopolistic rates > Comcast and Qwest get away with. More important is that I question how many > households in Santa Fe really need gigabit speeds. FRIAMers are not > representative of the SF population and even among us, how many of us need > that speed.. > > The second issue is where the service would be available. At their range > of costs per drop, they would be restricted to a small radius in the center > of the city. I live a couple of miles up Hyde Park Road near the Santa Fe > Institute. We have all underground utilities so I can’t see any way Ting > will ever get up here. The $9 vote even if all 100 or so of my neighbors > did it seems totally irrelevant. > > But my largest problem by far is issue of cherry picking and providing > service in only select areas which for residential customers means where > the rich people live. That leaves out most of the residents who are poor > and live on the south side of the city. As I understand it, Ting would not > be required to provide service to the schools, most of which are on the > south side. I suppose one could take the position that as a private company > Ting should be able to decide who it wants to attract as customers. On the > other hands, then what is a “public” utility? This was a major issue when I > was involved with the city trying to stop and then fix their 2010 telcom > franchise ordinance. One interesting side note to that sad effort is that > Qwest tried to block the franchise ordinance which would have allowed > cherry picking arguing that they (Qwest) had to provide service for > everyone and it would be unfair competition to allow other telcoms to pick > their customers. This issue was part of the reasons Qwest sued the city > over the ordinance. > > Santa Fe has an over 20 year history of making disastrous decisions on > telcom that prevented putting in the infrastructure that would have created > an environment where companies like Ting could come here and provide > premium service while all residents would be guaranteed a decent affordable > level of service. At this point I tend to agree with what I see as Sean’s > view that progress will be incremental. Sad situation for most of the > residents of Santa Fe, especially the school kids. > > I encourage any of you that are interested in this issue to get on the 1st > mile list serve (http://www.1st-mile.org/). There’s lots of information > there about what is going on here and in other communities by people who > have many years of experience working on these issues. > > Ed > _______________________ > > > Ed Angel > Founding Director, Art, Research, Technology and Science Laboratory > (ARTS Lab) > Professor Emeritus of Computer Science, University of New Mexico > > 1017 Sierra Pinon > Santa Fe, NM 87501 > 505-984-0136 (home) [email protected] > 505-453-4944 (cell) > http://www.cs.unm.edu/~angel > > > On Mar 5, 2016, at 11:26 AM, Nick Thompson <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Dear Friammers, particularly those in Santa Fe, > > I have been rummaging around on the Ting Website trying to figure out how > this thing could possibly work. Fibre? Really? > > https://ting.com/blog/internet/charlottesville/ > > Look at the second item in the blog. Apparently they have an interesting > “foot-in-the-door” strategy, which they are using in Charlottesvill, VA. > They ask you to kick in $9 dollars to “vote” for your neighborhood. > > Also, at the city level, one can express interest. See > https://ting.com/internet/townvote > > Nick > > > > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > > > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >
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