I like this idea, Glen. Don't necessarily agree, but it's worth examining. 

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> On Jun 9, 2016, at 9:53 AM, glen ☣ <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
>> On 06/08/2016 11:27 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
>> `` I'm pretty much a luddite myself, or at least "conservative" in the sense 
>> of believing that we are outdriving our headlights on many fronts.''
>> 
>> Experiments can be risky but sometimes they pay off..
> 
> The deeper point, I think, is that we not only _must_ outdrive our 
> headlights, we've been doing it for billions of years.  I've been trying to 
> find some spare time to explore the idea that science is a sub-discipline of 
> engineering. It's counter to our normal paradigm where we think engineering 
> is applied science.  But I find it an attractive idea that you can't learn or 
> understand anything without violently destroying/reorganizing some small part 
> of the universe first.  Hence, all knowledge comes through engineering first. 
>  We have to force the ambience through our intentional filter before we can 
> do anything with it ... like playdough through a stencil ... cast some liquid 
> reality into the mold that is your mind, as it were.
> 
> -- 
> ☣ glen
> 
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