From an ol-ex-pat...
I listened to BBC World Service live on my iPhone app with mounting
surprise as the returns showed the Leave solidifying their gains. I
agree Cameron gambled and lost. I can sympathize with some resentment
towards the 'faceless' bureaucrats in Brussels making fine-grained and
annoying regulations but was surprised that the immigration issue struck
such a chord among what appears to be mostly the working class. And
these immigrants are mostly Caucasian Eastern Europeans.
But Britain was never so tightly integrated as other member countries
who adopted the Euro currency. So the challenge to British identity, the
Pound, and possibly the Crown eventually became too much for the man and
woman on the street.
I suspect Scotland and Northern Ireland voted to Remain because a) the
immigration issue isn't really there there and they received a lot of
Euro funding for social/infrastructure projects while Britain as a whole
was a net contributor.
A US parallel might be Texas seceding from the Union.
Some numbers from
http://ec.europa.eu/budget/figures/interactive/index_en.cfm/
/
/2014 Expenditures UK €6,984 Million, while France, Germany, Poland,
Italy, Greece, Belgium* and Spain all got more and Poland at €17.4B
a lot more. (* 2007 //€//4B on administration presumably to run the
EU and is similar to the Mayor of London's budget)//
/
/2014 Total National Contributions UK //€//11,341 Million, 4th
largest after Germany, France and Italy./
So there's over €4 Billion/yr off the bat to be gained by leaving before
taking trade & employment impacts into account which are predicted to be
dire, only no country has done this before so there's no basis for
predications.
Robert C
On 6/25/16 1:46 AM, Jochen Fromm wrote:
From what I heard David Cameron messed it up. He failed miserably. In
order to get elected and to get rid of his right wing critics he
promised the people this referendum where they can vote for or against
the EU. If people had voted to remain in the EU it would have been a
victory for him. It wasn't. He lost.
Most of the "Brexit" voters voted against the EU because they are
against immigrants and want to make Britain great again, much like
Trump in US. Unfortunately it will not happen, the British Pound will
drop, customs will raise and the UK will slide into a recession. EU
funding for universities in the UK will stop. It looks pretty bad for
Great Britain, as you can see in the reaction of the stock markets.
TL;DR Cameron messed it up and everyone in Europe is a bit shocked
about the result of the referendum.
Regards
Jochen
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-------- Original message --------
From: Gillian Densmore <[email protected]>
Date: 6/24/16 21:23 (GMT+01:00)
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
<[email protected]>
Subject: [FRIAM] Anyone from England
Care to speculate what's going on with this leave the EU thing?
I can guess but I might be wrong, I suppose I thought while the EU
comes across as a discuntional family. I didn't know drama between
England and the rest of Europe was so bad that they'd want to leave.
places like telegraph aren't exactly helping matters:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/24/eu-referendum-live-david-cameron-resigns-as-uk-shocks-the-world/
So anyone from England have some opinions about what's going on?
Also as it is reported in America it's a close call of 48 to 50%
unless I totally misunderstand parimentarian best practices I thought
that's when they called for another vote or a simple majority?
Or am I wrong?
More importantly can I still move there if a certain delusional Sith
think's he can do some good?not a sith lord, just a sith, he's got all
the makings of a sith, just not a good one.
:P
How's the beer and weather?
Where's a good place to live?
Anyway I hope all everyone has a day full of glory!
MUCH MERRIMENT AND REVELRY!
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