A better example might be something like the ACA.  The ACA required Obama to 
make compromises, expend political capital, and play a longer game all while 
taking constant abuse for it.   Or deciding how to balance national and global 
interests in places like Iraq, Syria, or Afghanistan.   Tasks that are 
analytical and calculated and in the interest of the many aren’t always popular 
decisions at first.

From: Friam [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Eric Charles
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 2:09 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Is the new president mentally ill?

This is, overall, a strange concern, because you need additional layers of 
analysis. Functional narcissists do well because they have particular 
strengths, and when those strengths are on the side of third parties, those 
third parties tend to do quite well. To the extent that we can get Trump's 
narcissism to effectively feed off of the success of the country (which he 
seems quite willing to do), things will probably go quite well. To the extent 
that he is able to look at Putin and say "Who care's what you think? I'm 
president of the U.S., which is doing great by the way, terrific, and you are 
at the top of a crumbled empire," I don't think there is any risk of reaching 
for the football. A nuclear bomb wouldn't be good for the stock market, 
wouldn't help real estate prices, wouldn't help convince Ford to move that 
factory to the U.S., where Trump could do a ribbon cutting in front of an 
adulating crowd.

People keep saying that he is quick to anger, holds grudges, goes on the attack 
to much, but, frankly, we are mostly talking about tweets here. Has he ever 
bought a company just to fire someone? Is there an implication he has ever had 
people killed who were suing him (something well within his financial means)? 
Has he started a company to bankrupt someone else in the same niche who pissed 
him off? Are we really afraid he will go from tweet to nuclear launch with no 
escalation in between? What past history of escalation do we have to suggest 
that is a thing to worry about? And, in the mean time, might we not get some 
countries to the bargaining table based on the perception that Trump won't rule 
nuclear launch out, who might not be dealing with us otherwise?

If we are lucky, we have an effective narcissist on our side. If we are unlucky 
we have a reasonably competent businessman, in way over his head. Either way, 
I'm not worried he'll launch a nuke in week 2.



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Eric P. Charles, Ph.D.
Supervisory Survey Statistician
U.S. Marine Corps

On Wed, Jan 11, 2017 at 1:54 AM, Jochen Fromm 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
I posted this on Google+, since we have a lot of psychologists here you might 
be interested too?

Psychologists, therapists and mental health professionals seem to be fascinated 
and terrified alike by the new president who has not only become a brand, but 
is nothing but a brand:

1. he seems to be a textbook case of a narcissistic personality disorder
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/richard-greene/is-donald-trump-mentally_b_13693174.html

2. he was elected although he imitates the behavior of an massive Internet troll
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-embodied-mind/201701/unified-theory-trump

3. he displays a total lack of honesty and truth-telling
http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/

All DSM-5 criteria of a narcissistic personality disorder seem to be fulfilled. 
Should we be worried? What do you think? He shows a clear need for instant 
retaliation if someone criticizes him, which is obviously some form a 
narcissistic rage. It is clearly more than a self-serving bias, and such a deep 
personality disorder is not harmless at all.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-serving_bias

The problem is he is in a position where he can pull the strings now, as the 
commander in chief of the most powerful army. The US has about 2000 nuclear 
weapons on high alert, and there is a soldier with the nuclear football 
following the president at all times. What could go wrong?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_football

-Jochen




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