Yes, many women and men, all ages and races. I was there in DC. ...Bob
> On Jan 21, 2017, at 19:22, Pamela McCorduck <[email protected]> wrote: > > Make no mistake, Jochen, there were many men marching in the crowds. > > The angry white men are generally older, high school graduates or less, > though not necessarily in poverty, who see the world around them changing, > and imagine that Trump can turn back the clock: coal mines will reopen, > old-time factories, too, and they needn’t even think about watching their > mouths around women or minorities. > > But also, plenty of women voted for Trump. The New York Times interviewed > some of them. Their answers were appalling: “You’ve got to look behind the > words and find what’s in his heart.” Or, “I’m looking for the good in him.” > As if he were a juvenile delinquent eligible for foster care, not a candidate > for president. > > We talked in this group about Type 1 thinking (slow, analytical) and Type 2 > (impulsive, spontaneous). Voters for Trump have admired him because “he says > what he thinks,” whereas Clinton was measured and thoughtful, which these > people took to be “phony.” > > It’s certainly a civil war between the Type 1 and the Type 2 thinkers. > > >> On Jan 21, 2017, at 2:52 PM, Jochen Fromm <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> I have watched the large demonstrations of the women's march today on CNN, >> it is pretty impressive. Finally some protests, why did it take so long? It >> looks like there is still some hope. >> >> It feels a bit like an American Civil War, not between south and north, >> between Confederate and United States, but between angry white males >> represented by Donald Trump and peaceful women represented by Hillary >> Clinton. >> >> In Europe we had at least two traumatic periods of war: the 30 years war >> from 1618-1648 between catholic and protestant states, and the 30 years from >> the beginning of WW I in 1914/15 until the end of WW II 1945 between various >> forms of *-isms (fascism in Italy and nazism in Germany vs communism in >> Russia and capitalism in the rest of the world). Every time Germany was in >> ruins afterwards. >> >> If America should slide into authoritarianism like Turkey and all the *-stan >> countries such as Turkmenistan or Kazakhstan it will not end well. >> >> -J >> >> >> -------- Original message -------- >> From: Steven A Smith <[email protected]> >> Date: 1/21/17 21:53 (GMT+01:00) >> To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] And so it begins: the dark times >> >> Jochen, et al - >> >> I have to say I accept or agree with the idea of a sitting President (or any >> high official) having close access to their most trusted advisors, whether >> they are family or friends. It is only natural IMO and in principle will >> allow them to do a better job. I understand the anti-nepotism rules to >> avoid there being any "profiting" which is moot among the uber-wealthy such >> as Trump and Kushner. I understand restricting cabinet and other >> "conserved" positions such as the one Bobby Kennedy held from 60-6-4 as >> Attorney General. We deserve a broader base of perspective than that of a >> "dynasty"... >> All that said, Kushner (or Ivanka or ???) in the White House is disturbing >> for the conflict of interest reasons. If Trump pretends he (and he alone, >> because HE is so mighty and great) could run both Trump Inc. and Trump USA >> at the same time, he is admitting to an intended conflict of interest (or >> complete unawareness of the basic meaning of the term?). If he claims >> handing his day-to-day in Trump Inc off to Ivanka and Kushner and ??? >> waives the conflict of interest, he is mistaken, and by installing Kushner >> IN the White-House makes that conflict explicit again. Nothing I would not >> expect from him. >> >> - Steve >> >>> On 1/21/17 9:23 AM, Eric Charles wrote: >>> Actually Jochen, this one is squarely on the Clintons. When Bill appointed >>> Hillary to a White House task force back in the early 1990s, this went >>> through the court system. The judges in that case ruled that the law >>> applied to Cabinet appointments and paid positions within the larger >>> government, but not to White House staff. Kushner will similarly be in a >>> unpaid position. >>> >>> “We doubt that Congress intended to include the White House or the >>> Executive Office of the President” D.C. Circuit Judge Laurence Silberman >>> wrote in the 1993 decision, “So, for example, a President would be barred >>> from appointing his brother as Attorney General, but perhaps not as a White >>> House special assistant.” >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ----------- >>> Eric P. Charles, Ph.D. >>> Supervisory Survey Statistician >>> U.S. Marine Corps >>> >>>> On Sat, Jan 21, 2017 at 4:57 AM, Jochen Fromm <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> First it was not clear what *-ism mix it will be - authoritarianism, >>>> nepotism, cronyism, nationalism or a mixture of it. Sarah Kendzior and >>>> Paul Krugman predict we will end up in an authoritarian dictatorship. What >>>> do you think, which *-ism will it be? >>>> >>>> Maybe you could say the new minority president teaches nationalism, >>>> practices nepotism and cronyism and leads inevitably to authoritarianism. >>>> Will he be allowed to break the law? 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