Robert writes:

“They are inherently community motivated and supported and are not the kind of 
enterprises that you will see move offshore or park their cash there to avoid 
US taxation”

I make a distinction between people that are primarily goal motivated versus 
those that are primarily community motivated.  Goal motivated folks prefer to 
talk about work and ideas.   Community motivated people talk about their 
advisors or bosses, their distinguished colleagues, the benefits and drawbacks 
of their organization, and they seek mutually-beneficial relationships, among 
other things.

A benefit of large, hierarchical organizations to the goal motivated person is 
that, provided the organization goals are aligned with that person’s goals 
(employer and employee), the intra-community power struggles can be largely 
ignored.   This is not to say the community-builder tactics aren’t also used by 
other employees, often quite effectively, but they aren’t strictly essential 
for a sufficiently productive employee.

An objection to community motivated organizations is that they are about 
keeping the community afloat, not about progressing goals separate from the 
welfare of the members of the community.  The ideal situation, in my mind, is 
to solve the welfare problem for everyone.   Then discussions could stay on 
topic and be decoupled from the needs of people.   Another objection to 
communities is that complicates satisfaction of the “What do you want from me?” 
constraint.  Now there is not just one boss, but a whole set people and 
constraints to worry about.

“From your last paragraph, if I follow, you seem to have much more hope that we 
can improve society with chemicals, gene editing, quantum computing, or with 
surgical implants than I do.  I don't think that I would want to live in such a 
society. What will emerge, if any of this is at all possible, is a super-smart 
animal with the same ratty morals and self-interest.”

There are other phenotypes to consider.  Is there an innate explanation for 
nurturing and compassion?   Genetically, what is there to maternal instinct?   
What is there to sadism?   At what point does emotional empathy become 
overwhelming and counterproductive to compassion?  Does emotional empathy 
directly lead to tribalism due to attentional limits?   These predispositions 
might be tunable too through gene therapy or epigenetic controls.

Another way is to NOT fix what is broken with all of us through, say, a very 
long FDA approval and socialization process, but to create a new community 
offshore or off planet that is designed for social sustainability given certain 
environmental limitations.

“That's a very dangerous animal, IMHO.  This is why many folks are scared of 
AI; look who's leading the pack at this technology and buying up the world's 
brain trust: Google ... one of those "enterprises" that you justifiably don't 
seem to trust. 🤔

Trumpians are very dangerous animals, IMO.  A lot of the output of the AI/ML 
brain trust is open source, though.   I’m more comfortable with the Google 
world than the world of the fascists.  If things go further downhill -- more 
leaders like Trump and ultra-conservative governance, a divided Europe, and an 
ungovernable China -- I’d say there’s reason to start to think about whole new 
approaches.

Marcus
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