Glen, somehow I missed your original post. Do you mind re-posting again? Thanks so much.
On Tue, Feb 7, 2017 at 12:30 PM, glen ☣ <[email protected]> wrote: > On 02/07/2017 11:22 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > > I meant on the left. Progressives wanted a progress story rather than > attending to the danger of regression. Result, bad turnout. Bernie or > bust, etc. > > Ah, OK. > > > On the main topic, it seems to me that if we view individuals as bit > strings (e.g. control programs + individual and cultural data), then it is > easy to see that a composition function of two bit strings yielding the > same length bit string will have less information than a function that, > say, appends the bit strings. On the other hand if each bit string > carries none of the content of the neighbors in the community, then the > combined function will be fragile to failures of either individual. And > either individual will need some shared bits just to coordinate their union > -- to show up at the church at the same time and hand out duties, say. > > Yes, but the problem with that example lies in the assumption of a > distinction between reflective (loopy) referents of parts of the bit > strings. Yes, if individuals were flat/thin, then relatively simple > operations like union or intersection would speak to both shared > understanding and shared action. But individuals, by virtue of their > loopiness, are deep/thick, loops within loops. And that loopiness doesn't > stop at one's skin via extended phenotype (technology, language, etc.). > > This is one of the fundamental criticisms of the concept of memes. "The > problem with communication is the illusion that it exists." There are no > shared ideas; no shared understanding. There is only shared action, > mediated by some medium, which is why Steve's broaching of the commons is > important. > > -- > ☣ glen > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove > -- Merle Lefkoff, Ph.D. President, Center for Emergent Diplomacy Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA [email protected] mobile: (303) 859-5609 skype: merle.lelfkoff2
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