Nick- Yes, I think it is very motivated.
With the Ammodt water settlement (Tesuque/Nambe/Pojoaque river basisns) and the community water system being developed, we have tried to get them to consider co-locating fiber with every water line, or perhaps even easier, lay in water line with fiber *inside* (apparently it IS a thing) so that every household who agrees to cap their well and take "city water" gets an instant (dark) fat pipe of internet... it might be a serious added incentive for some otherwise reluctant (such as myself) to sign up. In contrast, the Acequia associations have been operating for centuries in these rural parts, delivering a service (irrigation water) much like broadband internet (in some abstract sense) to community-organized groups... The Mayordomo and Ditch Cleaning Day and Water Day, are all very familiar and dear concepts... though I also know of (too) many situations where one Hatfield or McCoy gets uppity and starts nothing short of a range war in their neighborhood by "stealing" more than their share of water or cutting off water to a someone downstream out of spite, etc. I think this experience *might* be part of the reason that the people I was trying to help in La Puebla were a little stiff/suspicious... they don't (fully) trust their neighbors to "play fair" when it comes to important things like irrigation water and streaming video. Maybe Stanley Crawford will write a novel about this. - Steve On 4/24/18 9:41 AM, Nick Thompson wrote: > > Steve, > > > > Have you ever thought of connecting with the Acequia organizations up > there? > > > > I know a guy. > > > > Water. Internet. It’s all the same, right? > > > > Nick > > > > Nicholas S. Thompson > > Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology > > Clark University > > http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ > <http://home.earthlink.net/%7Enickthompson/naturaldesigns/> > > > > *From:*Friam [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Steven > A Smith > *Sent:* Tuesday, April 24, 2018 11:09 AM > *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group > <[email protected]> > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] The Last Mile, again > > > > Nick - > > You are welcome to share, attributed or otherwise. I think the bottom > line is really how much you trust this group which is mostly a > non-technical problem... and by trust I don't just mean intentions but > also their true ability to follow through... naturally, the more > honest support they get, the better. > > My sensibilities would suggest that you "organize" your locals to act > as a coalition to simultaneously support the effort, and to watchdog > them. In the extreme, I could even imagine pushing for a > subscriber-owned system which is not as radical as a coop but has some > of the same properties. If instead of a $100 buy-in, a $500 buy-in > bought a (collective) minority share in the endeavor? I don't know if > $50,000 in capitalization would help get them off the ground faster or > if a voting block of acute stakeholders would be welcome or not, but > it is a thought. My leaning is toward more people taking more > interest in the obtainment and support of their own services, opposite > the trend toward deferring same to (big) government and (huge) > commerce until something goes off the rails one direction or the other > (tragedy of the commons vs unregulated greed). > > I appreciate your bringing this up about now, as it fortifies my > interest in trying (again) to drum up support for the sorting out of > up to date broadband in the Pojoaque Valley which is surely less > difficult (hilly and vegetated) than your own backyard there in (Maine?). > > - Steve > > > > On 4/24/18 7:56 AM, Nick Thompson wrote: > > Thanks, Steve, > > > > So clear. May I share your exposition with locals, here? > Attributed? Or Anonymous? > > > > I thought “Radwin” might be a standard. It turns out to be a > company. Interesting website. > > > > https://www.radwin.com/ > > > > Let me know what you think. > > > > N > > > > Nicholas S. Thompson > > Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology > > Clark University > > http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ > <http://home.earthlink.net/%7Enickthompson/naturaldesigns/> > > > > *From:*Friam [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of > *Steven A Smith > *Sent:* Tuesday, April 24, 2018 12:53 AM > *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group > <[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]> > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] The Last Mile, again > > > > > > Thanks So much. Can you explain the following passage in > greater detail? What do you mean by “over-subscription”. > > If I actually got my 10Mbps down and 5Mbps up from my provider > consistently and I had say 4 devices running in my house, > potentially all trying to use *all* 10/5, then within my household > I would be "oversubscribed" by 4X. Of course, I know that it is > unlikely for all 4 devices to be trying to push/pull that hard at > the same time, continuously so for all practical purposes, my 10/5 > is available to all 4 devices under most "normal" circumstances. > > I don't know who (if anyone) regulates oversubscription of > bandwidth, in this modern wild west it is probably just market forces. > > > That seems to be what they are promising. See my answer to > Gary, just sent. The said that they had contracted for a 1 > gig pipe and that that would take care of anything subscribers > could throw at them. I didn’t make any sense to me, but > perhaps I just misunderstood. If I understood the units, 40 > users could exhaust I G if they all got on at the same time. > > Yes, I misregistered the units by 10x. IF 40 users all started > pushing (or pulling) as hard as the link would let them (25/3) at > the same time, continuously, then you would begin to see > degradation (probably sooner for lots of reasons), but the fact > is, very few people have the need to use the network that heavily > except in bursts and rarely is there a service on the other end > willing to meet them halfway and push/pull that much data. If > they are planning on supporting 100 users, then they are at a 2.5X > oversubscription rate, but from anecdotal evidence, THAT is very > reasonable. > > > I assume we are talking about Mega/Giga per second here. So > to carry out the promise as I heard it, they would have to > have a 1 gig pipe for every 40 users and they are talking > about 100-200 users to begin with. So, is that what you mean > by “over-subscription”: the number of paid subscribers who > would be left out if everybody tried to get on simultaneously > at full speed? > > Yes, that is a correct understanding, but as I indicated above, it > is unlikely that anyone, much less everyone can push/pull that > hard except very intermittently. > > > What questions should I be asking them? > > I think they are making all of the right promises and suggesting > all the right things... the real proof will be in their > execution. You aren't in a good position to be second guessing > too much about their technical design, but what their > redundancy/backup plans are may define how long they stay down if > a backhoe, for example, cuts their main line... or if lightning > fries a rack of gear, etc. They probably will tell you > reassuring things in any case, so the bigger question is whether > you trust them. > > One thing that might be *real* problems are "line of sight" from > your location to one of their towers... if you can *see* one or > more of the hilltops where they have towers, you are in pretty > good shape unless you are seeing it through your bare trees (or > right past the edge) or your neighbor puts up a big barn in the way. > > Another is whether they have the install capacity to stand up 100 > or more customers quickly... one install team might be able to do > several a day (without problems) but with delays and weekends, > that might mean some customers won't see service for a couple of > months. > > > > > > > ============================================================ > > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > > to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove > > > > > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove
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