I've always taken "the Troll" to be a species of Trickster... not always
comfortable, but often valuable.


On 11/14/18 7:39 AM, ∄ uǝʃƃ wrote:
> It's come to mean many things, but all along the lines of provocation.  
> Boghossian et al, for example, did a *great* job at provoking Wilson and Shaw 
> and a host of other actual scholars into responding to their science fraud.  
> But it's important, to me anyway, to remember that trolling also encompasses 
> behaviors like Jonathan Swift's "A Modest Proposal" and Socrates' treatment 
> of Euthyphro.
>
> So, the options you've offered, fishing or monster, is impoverished.  The 
> village shaman is a better example.  Even if shamen/witches mostly use 
> provocation to hypnotize and control the villagers [†], we can assume that 
> some (perhaps small) percentage of shamen/witches are doing it for the good 
> of the tribe, not just to grab a quick bite.
>
> As I've posted before, here is my favorite defense of trolling:
>
>   How to make a nuisance of yourself in [usenet] news
>   
> http://web.archive.org/web/20070609085706/http://www.sm.luth.se/~torkel/eget/net.html
>
> Torkel's dead, but definitely not forgotten!
>
> [†] Perhaps mostly in self-defense, since the physically or mentally abnormal 
> people who didn't become holy people might be executed or exiled.
>
> On 11/13/18 7:40 PM, Nick Thompson wrote:
>> I have always wondered about "trolling".  Is it the monster under the bridge 
>> or the fisherman.  Or both?


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