Glen wrote, in relevant part, "Like mathematicians, maybe we have to ultimately 
commit to the 
ontological status of our parsing methods?"  I wish to question the implicit 
assumption that 
mathematicians _do_ (or even _ought to_) "ultimately commit to the ontological 
status" of 
_anything_ in particular.

I wrote (some time ago, and not here) something I will still stand by.  It 
appears at the 
beginning of a me-authored chapter in a me-edited book, "Qualitative 
Mathematics for the
Social Sciences: Mathematical models for research on cultural dynamics"; the 
"our" and "we" in 
the first sentence refer to me and my coauthor in an introductory chapter, not 
to me-and-a-
mouse-in-my-pocket.  (Note that I am a mathematician, _not_ a social scientist, 
and only very 
occasionally a mathematical modeler of any sort.) I have edited out some 
footnotes, etc., but 
in return have expanded some of the in-line references {inside curly braces}.

===begin===

In our Introduction (p. 17) we quoted "three statements, by mathematicians 
{Ralph Abraham; 
three guys named Bohle-Carbonell, Booß, Jensen, who I'd not heard of before 
working on the 
book; and Phil Davis} on mathematical modeling". Here is a fourth.

(D) Mathematics has its own structures; the world (as we perceive and cognize 
it) is, or 
appears to be, structured; mathematical modeling is a reciprocal process in 
which we 
_construct/discover/bring into awareness_ correspondences between mathematical 
structures and 
structures `in the world´, as we _take actions that get meaning from, and give 
meaning to,_ 
those structures and correspondences. 

Later (p. 24 ff.) we briefly viewed modeling from the standpoint of 
"evolutionary 
epistemology" in the style of Konrad Lorenz (1941) {Kant´s doctrine of the a 
priori in the 
light of contemporary biology}. In this chapter, I view modeling from the 
standpoint 
informally staked out by (D), which I propose to call "evolutionary ontology." 
My discussion 
is sketchy (and not very highly structured), but may help make sense of this 
volume and 
perhaps even mathematical modeling in general.

Behind (D) is my conviction that there is no need to adopt any particular 
ontological 
attitude(s) towards "structures", in the world at large and/or in mathematics, 
in order to 
proceed with the project of modeling the former by the latter and drawing 
inspiration for
the latter from the former. It is, I claim, possible for someone simultaneously 
to adhere to a 
rigorously `realist´ view of mathematics (say, naïve and unconsidered 
Platonism) and to take 
the world to be entirely insubstantial and illusory (say, by adopting a crass 
reduction of the 
Buddhist doctrine of Maya), _and still practice mathematical modeling in good 
faith_ if not 
with guaranteed success. Other (likely or unlikely) combinations of attitudes 
are (I claim) 
just as possible, and equally compatible with the practice of modeling.  

I have the impression that many practitioners, if polled (which I have not 
done), would 
declare themselves to be both mathematical `formalists´ and physical 
`realists´. I also have 
the impression that a large, overlapping group of practitioners, observed in 
action (which
I have done, in a small and unsystematic way), can reasonably be described to 
_behave_ like 
thoroughgoing ontological agnostics.  Mathematical modeling _as human behavior_ 
is based, I am 
claiming, on acts of pattern-matching (or Gestalt-making)-which is to say,in 
other language, 
on creation/recognition/awareness of `higher order structures´ relating some 
`lower order 
structures´-that one performs (or that occur to one) independently of one´s 
ontological 
stances. That is not all there is to it, as behavior; but that is its basis.

===end===

To take Glen's question in (perhaps) a different direction, I note that Imre 
Lakatos also used 
the word "ultimate" about mathematicians, as follows: "But why on earth have 
`ultimate´ tests, 
`final authority´? Why foundations, if they are admittedly subjective?  Why not 
honestly admit 
mathematical fallibility, and try to defend the dignity of fallible knowledge 
from cynical 
scepticism, rather than delude ourselves that we can invisibly mend the latest 
tear in the 
fabric of our "ultimate" intuitions?" As I have learned from Nick, Peirce is 
also committed to 
the defense of "the dignity of fallible knowledge" (at least, I *think* I've 
learned that from 
Nick; but I might be wrong...).

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