Anyway, if my speculation is close, then Trump doesn't intend or WANT to communicate or persuade, only to perform.
This is consistent with his saying *everything* three times. He turns a 15 minute performance into a 45 minute one. ----------------------------------- Frank Wimberly My memoir: https://www.amazon.com/author/frankwimberly My scientific publications: https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Frank_Wimberly2 Phone (505) 670-9918 On Fri, Jan 11, 2019, 1:31 PM uǝlƃ ☣ <[email protected] wrote: > Heh. When I was tasked with explaining agent-based modeling to some art > students in Sweden, I made heavy use of the gooey colloid metaphor. There > were a lot of blank stares in the audience. 8^) But the guy who hired me > was happy with the presentation. So, who knows? > > I think I agree with Marcus. Trump is neither a good communicator nor a > good persuader. If I were going to say something positive about him, I'd > call him a poet, since I view poetry as a balance act between being *just* > descriptive enough to imply some thing, but vague enough to allow the > audience maximum freedom to fill in whatever nonsense they want to from > their own imagination. Whether Trump trains himself in his poetry or if he > was trained by his genes and rearing is irrelevant. And all that should be > read with the knowledge that I do not like poetry. I do like > *performative* poetry to some extent, though. I'm fans of the epic rants > of someone like Lewis Black, spoken-word lyrics, some rap, etc. But if you > compare a good performer (actors, comedians, rappers) to Trump, there's > still something missing from his public presentations. > > One speculation I like is that Trump is a small-group presenter, not a > large group presenter. The only explanation I can come up with for the > loyalty his "friends" show him is that he must be a pretty good > interpersonal manipulator. One on one, perhaps Trump is respectful, > flattering, etc. And it's just when he gets into a larger audience that he > flubs it. It's difficult to manipulate a large number of people (unless > they're *already* pre-adapted to the manipulation like at his rallies). > > Anyway, if my speculation is close, then Trump doesn't intend or WANT to > communicate or persuade, only to perform. > > And the tight weave thing was definitely a compliment, and very much on > the topic of speaking with language that hangs together and can > communicate/persuade, even if *you* don't intend or want to. 8^) > > On 1/11/19 11:43 AM, Steven A Smith wrote: > > As a compulsive intuitive modeler of "everything" as a network/field > dual, all this resonates well. I also like your characterization as "gooey > colloid" and was reminded of JJ Thompson's Plum-Pudding model of atoms. > > > > I also like your action/consideration dual to rights/responsibilities... > sort of a verb/noun or active/passive duality? > > > > Regarding the use of the term "effectivity". I long ago began to > rephrase statements using "good" with similar statements being > "effective". e.g. "Science is good at X" with "Science is effective for > addressing the topic/problem/question of X". The key point is to replace > an absolute value judgement with a more contextualized and relative one. > > > > If Trump claimed "A Physical Barrier like a Concrete Wall or a > Beautifully Artistic Steel Slatted Fence is particularly effective in > helping personnel in charge of maintaining border security stop the casual > crossing of the border without appropriate inspection of cargo and entry > documents" rather than the variety of simpleton dumbass claims he *does > make*, he would A) put most people to sleep; B) be part of a constructive > conversation toward improving the effectiveness of our southern national > border. > > > > - Steve > > > > PS. Thanks for the (underhanded?) complement on my "tight weave". I > started to claim that I don't *intend* to make the discourse more difficult > to analyze, then I realized, that I probably DO intend to prevent the > context of any given conversation from being trivialized or made degenerate > for the sake of clarity over meaning. > > -- > ☣ uǝlƃ > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > archives back to 2003: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ > FRIAM-COMIC <http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/FRIAM-COMIC> > http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove >
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