No routines, just direct adjustment of the relevant variables. I do think it has some "presets" to select from, but I would have to look as I have never used them.
davew On Thu, Mar 14, 2019, at 4:46 PM, Nick Thompson wrote: > So, does it have some test routines built into it? It feeds you stimuli and > you tell it how you like them? Helping you to find your “notch”? > > Nick > > Nicholas S. Thompson > Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology > Clark University > http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ > > *From:* Friam [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Prof David > West > *Sent:* Thursday, March 14, 2019 1:39 PM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] A First Look at the Bose Hearing Aid - Self-Fitting > Bose "Hearing Aid" Resembles Bose Hearphones > > The phone app allows you to adjust volume, the three types of focus I > mentioned, balance between right and left ear, and treble/bass. I was told > that you can adjust all except focus differently for each ear but have not > tried that. > > When it comes to adjustment - given the possible range of adjustments - doing > it yourself simply dis-intermediates the audiologist. After all, she makes an > adjustment, you report better or worse, and they adjust again. Same thing > with the hear phones, except you tell yourself "better" or "worse" and make > your own adjustment. > > Not disparaging audiologists or cookies - the obviously have training and > equipment that is far more precise and powerful, but, in the end more > effective????? > > davew > > > On Thu, Mar 14, 2019, at 1:12 PM, Nick Thompson wrote: >> Thanks, Dave, for that report. Very useful. >> >> What consumer reports says is that you really need the help of an >> audiologist to properly tune hearing aids and keep them operable. So, for >> instance, as part of the 5 grand (!) I paid for my pair I got a cleaning, >> adjustment of the program any time I wanted, and excellent free coffee and >> cookies anytime I went in. As we struggled with the ramification of being a >> double hearing aid family, this proved comforting, if not useful. A lot of >> money for “Tea and Sympathy.” >> >> What the advertising for the Bose suggests is that it has some sort of self >> tuning feature. I can’t imagine what that would be or how it would >> substitute for consultation with an audiologist. But one could buy 10 hours >> with a shrink and LOTS of coffee and cookies for the difference. >> >> What does the smart phone angle do for you? >> >> Nicholas S. Thompson >> Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology >> Clark University >> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ >> >> *From:* Friam [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Prof David >> West >> *Sent:* Thursday, March 14, 2019 11:56 AM >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] A First Look at the Bose Hearing Aid - Self-Fitting >> Bose "Hearing Aid" Resembles Bose Hearphones >> >> Nick and Steve (and anyone else listening in), >> >> The only difference between the Bose "hearing aid" and the "hear phone" is >> the FDA classification. The FDA examined the hear phone and gave Bose the >> approval to market it as a hearing aid. I suspect that there will be >> software differences, but minimal to no hardware changes when the hearing >> aid is released as an actual product. If there are software differences I >> would expect them to be available as upgrades - probably to the phone app >> that you can use to alter settings. >> >> That said: >> >> I can use the Hear Phones to listen to TV with the sound setting on the TV >> at '35' instead of at '100' that I have to use without them. >> >> You can adjust the noise suppression feature to focus on a 'wedge' >> immediately in front of you, a semi circle in front of you, or a 360 field. >> The focus works great and most noise is filtered out. >> >> Most of the time I am using them in the basement with, currently, concrete >> walls on all sides. This means that the pellet stove and its incessant >> droning motor sounds bounce across the entire room, including into the focus >> field, so it is never filtered out sufficiently. Constantly annoying. That >> does not happen in other settings. >> >> In a FRIAM like setting, I would use the wedge-focus setting but would have >> to look at the person or persons I was talking to. If one person was to my >> left and the other to the right, I would have to turn my head for the >> focusing to work. This is kind of an obvious limitation. >> >> A quirk, again because I am in a basement with no ceiling except insulation >> between joists, if sounds from upstairs are transmitted through the floor >> joists into the focus-wedge I hear them very well. This means I can >> 'evesdrop' on conversation upstairs if people are in a specific area of the >> house. >> >> All in all, I would recommend them to others. Go to a Bose store and get the >> demo before deciding. >> >> davew >> >> >> On Thu, Mar 14, 2019, at 9:27 AM, Nick Thompson wrote: >>> Right, Dave, >>> >>> I think this is a bit trimmed down, and gussied up from what you showed me. >>> Did you look at the description? Let me know. >>> >>> Mike keeps pointing out that the ear is not really doing Fourier transforms >>> at all … it’s representing the geography of the cochlea from micro second >>> to micro second. What I never can understand is what MORE information is in >>> the signal than timexfrequencyxintensity to be extracted. Mike has >>> explained it to me often but I have never quite been able to HEAR him. >>> >>> [sigh] >>> >>> Nick >>> >>> Nicholas S. Thompson >>> Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology >>> Clark University >>> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ >>> >>> *From:* Friam [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Prof David >>> West >>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 14, 2019 7:35 AM >>> *To:* [email protected] >>> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] A First Look at the Bose Hearing Aid - Self-Fitting >>> Bose "Hearing Aid" Resembles Bose Hearphones >>> >>> Nick, >>> >>> The Bose Hearphone is the product I showed you at the coffee shop on a >>> visit a few months ago. I have one and use it regularly with mixed results. >>> If anyone is interested, I can provide details of my experience. >>> >>> davew >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Mar 13, 2019, at 10:32 PM, Nick Thompson wrote: >>>> Dear Friammers, >>>> >>>> One of the things we have talked about for years is the possibility of >>>> smartphone/hearing aid integration. This looks like a beginning. >>>> >>>> https://www.hearingtracker.com/news/first-look-at-the-bose-hearing-aid?utm_source=Hearing+Tracker+Updates&utm_campaign=5ff252547f-cvsupdate_COPY_01&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_790a5b8263-5ff252547f-455404113 >>>> ============================================================ >>>> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >>>> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College >>>> to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >>>> archives back to 2003: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ >>>> FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove >>>> >>> >>> ============================================================ >>> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >>> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College >>> to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >>> archives back to 2003: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ >>> FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove >>> >> >> ============================================================ >> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College >> to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >> archives back to 2003: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ >> FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove >> > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > archives back to 2003: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove >
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