Hi, Frank,
No. I suppose not. Here’s where we need Hywel. Could we predict it from the shape of the water molecule? In general, I wish to avoid psychologizing concepts like “emergence”. I don’t want them to be dependent on anybody’s knowledge, or lack thereof. So, I don’t want to think (I may have to, eventually) that emergence is based on our ability to predict, because, then truly, “Knowedge Extinguishes Emergence.” Nick Nicholas S. Thompson Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology Clark University <http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ From: Friam [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Frank Wimberly Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2019 7:26 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] words RE: words Emergent: hexagonality of snowflakes. Can we predict that from water vapor and cold? ----------------------------------- Frank Wimberly My memoir: https://www.amazon.com/author/frankwimberly My scientific publications: https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Frank_Wimberly2 Phone (505) 670-9918 On Tue, May 7, 2019, 5:58 PM Nick Thompson <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: Marcus, Of course I see [now] why he was annoyed. And I apologized. And I won’t do it again. And I have tried to explain (and I think Glen has more or less accepted) that my intent was not aggressive. Not sure how that relates to the question I asked you. Are games instances in good standing of emergent phenomena? Nick Nicholas S. Thompson Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology Clark University <http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ From: Friam [mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> ] On Behalf Of Marcus Daniels Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2019 2:59 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] words RE: words No, I meant that Glen is right and you are wrong, in spite of the superficial transactional evidence back and forth. Actual quotation marks, and you can’t see why is he annoyed? From: Friam <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > on behalf of Nick Thompson <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Reply-To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Date: Tuesday, May 7, 2019 at 2:53 PM To: 'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group' <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] words RE: words Sorry, Marcus, do I misunderstand? Or did I misunderstand Frank? A pingpong game is not a proper emergent? Cf tennis and chess: To call a social interaction a dance is to stress the peraction of social agents. When agents peract, they act through or by means of one another. Each has a state of affairs toward which his or her behavior is directed, and that state of affairs requires certain actions on the part of the social partner. The behavior of each actor is therefore directed toward using the other as a tool to produce a particular desirable result. The dialectic between their peractions is the dance. From an observer’s standpoint, the best dances, like the best chess games and the best tennis matches, are those in which neither peractant entirely gets his or her own way. Nicholas S. Thompson Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology Clark University <http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ From: Friam [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Marcus Daniels Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2019 2:04 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] words RE: words No, not really. From: Friam <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > on behalf of Frank Wimberly <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Reply-To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Date: Tuesday, May 7, 2019 at 1:43 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] words RE: words To the outside observer, a ping pong game has emerged. ----------------------------------- Frank Wimberly My memoir: https://www.amazon.com/author/frankwimberly My scientific publications: https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Frank_Wimberly2 Phone (505) 670-9918 On Tue, May 7, 2019, 1:38 PM uǝlƃ ☣ <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: No. Again, I would never say that. Why are you interacting this way? What are you trying to achieve by attributing things to me that I didn't write? 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