I have been working hard to finally take a vacation. Too much focus on how to regulate bitcoin and I am exhausted.
Anyway, first stop St Petersburg! And when I finally got a moment to check on what was percolating, there was nothing. I was frankly alarmed at the lack of traffic. We need more caffeine -- coffee, tea, or chocolate to fuel our thoughts. On Thu, Sep 12, 2019, 1:59 PM Steven A Smith <[email protected]> wrote: > Dave - > > I had noticed a slowdown a while back, but being on the road for 3 weeks > myself, I haven't contributed or really noticed the grinding halt until > now as you call it out. By coincidence I had dinner and beers with Glen > along the way, and I'm pretty sure he has brought Hoffman's work up here > a few times? > > I met Hoffman in 2005 where he gave his spiel to a fairly small crowd of > (mostly) English Majors at the Anneberg School at USC. I was > participating in a workshop with (mostly) Journalists trying to make > sense of how to use new media to try to explicate the previously > inexpicable. It was an eclectic and (mostly) young and robust crowd of > very bright people thinking deep and wide about social issues all the > way down to "what it means to be human". I was trying to bring my own > take on what a tree-map (our own variant known as a bubble-tree) > extruded in 3D to try to apprehend the news cycle/milieu in it's whole. > > Hoffman made a good effort to explain his concept with the sophisticated > but not particularly natural-science or hard-philosophy centered > crowd. He swayed me for the most part, but I had to remind myself that > even though I *beleive* in a heliocentric world-view I still *apprehend* > the sun and moon (and less obvoiusly) the stars rising in the east and > setting in the west, more better (superficially) fitting an > earth-centric model. So while I think Hoffman might be dead on, I > still hold a bit of "so what?" and "what does it help me do?". I'd be > interested if you have your own take on this? Ignoring whether you > believe him to be technically/philosophically "correct", can you say > what you think might be "of use" to take away from it? > > I will admit that my question implies some kind of incrementalism... > that the "use" might only become evident through a radical > acceptance/adoption of his (non?) world-view, not through my relatively > "thin" intellectual acknowledgement (thinner by quite a bit than my > acceptance of heliocentricity BTW). > > On 9/12/19 12:41 AM, Prof David West wrote: > > Hello All, > > > > Traffic on the FRIAM list seems to have ground to a halt, from my > reception point in Amsterdam - i.e. I have seen nothing for some time. Not > in spam filter, so question is has the list trickled to a stop or just not > making it across the Atlantic.? > > > > Observation: an interesting coincidence arising from reading a new book, > The Case Against Reality, How evolution hid the truth from our eyes, by > Donald D. Hoffman, professor of cognitive science at UC Irvine. Main thesis > is that what we perceive is but a constructed, via evolution, "interface" > and not a veridical perception of "Reality." > > > > Not a new idea but the evolution / survival / fittest being the ones > that see the optimal interface instead of what is behind the interface is > interesting. > > > > Coincidence comes from simultaneously rereading Heidegger and Gadamer, > and even some Peirce, and seeing apparent parallels between "interface,: > "interpretation," and "experience." Feels like a lot of Nick's Monism > convictions might be illuminated by looking at these works in juxtaposition. > > > > dave west > > > > ============================================================ > > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > > to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > > archives back to 2003: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ > > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove > > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > archives back to 2003: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ > FRIAM-COMIC <http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/FRIAM-COMIC> > http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove >
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