Hm. OK. If I try my best to steel-man an argument, I'd have to say the only thing ingrained is the tendency to think systemically (democrats) versus the tendency to think causally (republicans). I can posit this is ingrained in their biology, either learned as they're reared or is some kind of genetic memory. [cue the folklore about the fat corpus collosum and multitasking]
If you believe in systematicity (?), then when you create a subversive infrastructure, that infrastructure can turn around and begin controlling you. [power corrupts] So, democrats, with their tendency to think systemically, might realize that their systemic thinking may well help them create a system that will run away and end up controlling them ... or resulting in bad things they can't estimate. It's not that're unwilling/unable to take the gloves off. It's that they *see* the consquences of taking the gloves off and don't want those consequences. If you believe in (simple/linear) causality, then any actions you take will be limited, maybe even atomic. [cue the folklore about how right-wingers believe in the Self-Made Man] You believe you can turn on a dime, your agency is atomic/autonomous. Sure, last election, you installed an occult infrastructure to "cheat". But the cheating ... [ahem] intelligent gameplay ... needed to be done and you won't need to game it anymore once you've overcome the Evil system that was in charge before. It's not that they're willing to do *anything*. It's that they *know* any (suspicious) action they take will have short-lived consequences and be compensated for by future (obviously good) actions. So, I still doubt we're talking about moral intuition. We may be talking about physiology, or anatomy, or some sort of natural selection. But it's not evidence of an ingrained morality. On 10/28/19 10:31 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > Except with the rhetoric (misinformation campaign) has a subversive > operational side to it? That is too complex? It wasn't for the Trump > campaign and the Russians. It is simply incompetence that explains why the > Democrats (in 2016 or now) could be well-funded but nonetheless fail given a > nimble opponent that is willing to do *anything*? Yes, I suggest there is > something ingrained about the campaigning Democrats (as individuals and as a > party), that make them unable to take the gloves off. That makes them talk > in circles about what would bring back the Obama/Trump voter, humor the > Deplorables, or in the other extreme advocate progressive but unrealistic > objectives like Medicare for all that will be hard to pass and fund. Maybe > Schiff et. al. have put together a team that can get it done, or the `deep > state' will eventually make a move. -- ☣ uǝlƃ ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives back to 2003: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove
