Nick, Yes, quick-and-dirty mob decision-making. I'm interested in what the article described as everyone-at-once weighing in on opinions. And I don't see why they require AI - which is in essence just pattern matching. It sounds to me like what they're doing in imitation of bees is a multi-pass compiler, just calculating weights of opinions and iterating over and over.
I'm thinking about other ways this real-time iterative compilation of opinion can be done. Paul Paulus at has come up with an elegant, no-tech solution called Brainwriting <https://www.inc.com/magazine/20031001/strategies.html>. Iterating that quickly could be one way. Norman Johnson (is he on this list?) has done a lot of work in how swarm/ Collective Intelligence systems solve for resiliency of the system as a whole, and how "noise" is necessary to move out of well-worn local minima in the solution space. I'm hoping that Trump is just such a helpful noise, inadvertently solving for eventual resiliency. Ron Newman, M.S., M.M.E. Founder, IdeaTreeLive.com <https://www.Ideatreelive.com> Knowledge Modeling www.RonPiano.com Blog <https://blog.ideatreelive.com> On Sat, Dec 7, 2019 at 12:50 PM <[email protected]> wrote: > Ron, > > > > Thanks for this. The idea that the delegation of individual choice to > “leaders” that occurs in mobs is a concession to the need for rapid > concerted action in the face of an incalculable emergency is an important > one to me. It’s reminiscent of sexual behavior in which the interests of > the entire body are temporarily put into the contr > > . > > > > > > ol of a very small part of it > > > > > > > > > > > > I love the idea that a swarm of bees is just a bunch of bees going off to > a quiet place to have a think. For a fascinating rumination on mob > behavior please see Among the Thugs. > <https://www.amazon.com/Among-Thugs-Bill-Buford/dp/0679745351> > > > > Although I have made it (See attached) I have never been entirely > comfortable with argument that in an emergency a bad decision be made > quickly is preferable to no decision. > > > > Nick > > > > Nick Thompson > > Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology > > Clark University > > [email protected] > > https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ > > > > > > *From:* Friam <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Ron Newman > *Sent:* Saturday, December 7, 2019 9:27 AM > *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group < > [email protected]> > *Subject:* [FRIAM] Swarms vs. herds > > > > Interesting take on swarms vs. herds: > > > > "So in nature it’s interesting to see these different behaviors appear in > other organisms. You know, in a prey organism where a herd could make bad > decisions but what’s more important is it can make a kneejerk reaction and > escape because they’re prey, you could end up with a mob mentality > emerging. In a swarm, like bee swarms, where what’s more important is > thoughtful deliberation, the process is parallel rather than serial and you > end up with a group that can make, I would say, an enlightened decision > that’s better than the individuals would have made because they have the > luxury of time to make that decision... > > > > And because elections are done by polls rather than swarms, what an > election will do is it will have the most popular choice emerge that’s not > necessarily the choice that would maximize the satisfaction of a > population... > > And so this idea of we/us humans make decisions through polling, and it’s > in a lot of ways far less evolved than the way that birds and bees and fish > make decisions, which is through swarming. And a swarm will actually find > that decision that really is the thing that reflects the combined sentiment > of the population, whereas a poll is such an over-simplification, it’s > really just what happens to be the largest plurality, but very often that’s > very far from the answer that actually is the combined sentiment of a > population." > > > > full article: > https://voicesinai.com/episode/episode-61-a-conversation-with-dr-louis-rosenberg/ > > > > My take on it: https://blog.ideatreelive.com/on-the-importance-of-idiots/ > > > > > Ron Newman, M.S., M.M.E. > > Founder, IdeaTreeLive.com <https://www.Ideatreelive.com> Knowledge > Modeling > > www.RonPiano.com > > Blog <https://blog.ideatreelive.com> > > > > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > archives back to 2003: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove >
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