Only tangentially related, but I was very struck by the discussion of the “empathy gap” in a recent Hidden Brain podcast (links below). The empathy gap was described as we aren’t really even able to understand or predict our own decision making process when we are in a different “state” from that in which we would be making the decision.
I wonder if armed with the idea of the empathy gap there is a way to take advantage of these different people we become when in different states and if this relates to the different states we can reach through drugs or other means. I.e. we could focus group a decision (for insight) by considering it in many different states. https://thedecisionlab.com/biases/empathy-gap/ https://www.npr.org/2019/11/27/783495595/in-the-heat-of-the-moment-how-intense-emotions-transform-us <https://www.npr.org/2019/11/27/783495595/in-the-heat-of-the-moment-how-intense-emotions-transform-us> —joshua > On Feb 27, 2020, at 10:26 AM, uǝlƃ ☣ <[email protected]> wrote: > > I claimed *exactly* that a few posts ago ... well, OK. I suppose you have to > read a little between the lines to see it. That your between sober and > drunken life is *false*, starts us down the slippery slope to claiming that > alcohol *does* bring you to a new reality and raises your consciousness. I > can continue that argument if need be. > > I don't much care if you believe it or not. But what I do want you to hear is > that any insight one thinks they gain while on drug X is *already* reachable, > sober, drunk, calcium deficient, high on tryptophan, or whatever. You're > right to question the claims to insight the druggies make. But you're wrong > to distinguish so harshly between states. > > Your privileging sober life is almost a perfect analogy to the Cartesian > split between mind and body. Just because 1 state *feels* one way and another > feels another way doesn't imply they're different in kind, however much they > may differ in degree. And if you're unclear on the prejudicial consequences > of such a false dichotomy, all you need do is look at our (admitted) *need* > for the disease model of addiction ... or if that's not enough data, take a > look at the demographics of our prison population (black vs. white, poor vs. > wealthy, etc.). > > As to the destructiveness of an altered state, "the dosage is the poison". A > tiny bit of sky diving is just fine. Too much sky diving will kill you. > > On 2/27/20 9:11 AM, [email protected] wrote: >> Nobody ever claimed for alcohol that it brought me to a new reality or >> raised one to a higher state of understanding. I think of it as inducing a >> modulated and reversible little death of the mind, a quieting of the voice. >> Not so much an altered state, as a slowed regular state. It is evidently >> destructive, but sometimes a little destruction is just what one needs. > > -- > ☣ uǝlƃ > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > archives back to 2003: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove
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