No. By the way, when Flor was about 7 she was petting our dog and she said, "I'm giving her some oxymoron."
--- Frank C. Wimberly 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Wed, Mar 4, 2020, 11:54 AM <[email protected]> wrote: > Are emotion states hidden? I will grant that hormonal states are > "hidden". But an emotion state is a tuning of the organism's behavior with > respect to the environment, and hence "visible" to any well situated > observer, no? > > Nick > > Nicholas Thompson > Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology > Clark University > [email protected] > https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Friam <[email protected]> On Behalf Of u?l? ? > Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2020 8:28 AM > To: FriAM <[email protected]> > Subject: [FRIAM] oxytocin, again > > > Once again the ingroup hormone is in the news: > > 1) A neurobiological association of revenge propensity during intergroup > conflict <https://elifesciences.org/articles/52014> > > The link for the paper is the download icon in the upper right. > > But in skimming this paper, it seems to contradict what I inferred from > this paper: > > 2) Oxytocin enhances pupil dilation and sensitivity to ‘hidden’ emotional > expressions <https://academic.oup.com/scan/article/8/7/741/1653225> > > Granted, I expect to infer things not implied because I really have no > idea what I'm reading. Whatever, I'm inspired by the other thread on acid > epistemology to talk about things that cannot be talked about and run with > the apparent contradiction. 8^) > > (2) seemed to say that oxytocin is a marker for being "on the look out", > whereas (1) seems to imply it's a marker for being "in a state of > trust/comfort/empathy/whatever". Endocrine signaling seems (in my > ignorance) to be coarse and ambiguous. Since the body is made up of many > quasi-autonomous components, an ebb or flow of a signal might take on > different "meaning" depending on the *rest* of the conditions experienced > by any given component. E.g. pupil dilation might occur in either context, > where one's comfortable enough to be free of "fight or flight", but "on the > look out" for subtle expressions in their ingroup team *or* safe enough to > be free of "fight or flight", but "on the look out" for subtle expressions > of subterfuge or betrayal in business negotiations (or whatever). > > I suppose a possible resolution of the contradiction might lie in the > whole fast vs. slow thinking metaphor. If there are (at least) two > conditions where one needs to be "on the look out", one fully engaged in > fight or flight ... eyes darting around looking for the snake, pupils > dilated ... or fully comfy on your couch listening to Enya ... pupils > dilated hunting for the hidden emotional states of your dog. > > -- > ☣ uǝlƃ > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe > http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > archives back to 2003: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ > FRIAM-COMIC <http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/FRIAM-COMIC> > http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove > > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > archives back to 2003: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ > FRIAM-COMIC <http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/FRIAM-COMIC> > http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove >
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