Glen, inter alios,
I think of trolling as attempting to destroy an internet conversation by ad hominems or other forms of harsh dismissive argument. But when I think of trolling as a metaphor developed on the child's story of the Three Billy Goat's <https://americanliterature.com/childrens-stories/the-three-billy-goats-gruff> gruff, then perhaps lurking under interesting arguments in order to provoke arguments only of interest to the troll fits the bill. The one is a kind of cruelty; the other is a form of cluelessness. Nick Nicholas Thompson Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology Clark University [email protected] https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ -----Original Message----- From: Friam <[email protected]> On Behalf Of u?l? ? Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2020 8:28 AM To: FriAM <[email protected]> Subject: [FRIAM] oxytocin, again Once again the ingroup hormone is in the news: 1) A neurobiological association of revenge propensity during intergroup conflict < <https://elifesciences.org/articles/52014> https://elifesciences.org/articles/52014> The link for the paper is the download icon in the upper right. But in skimming this paper, it seems to contradict what I inferred from this paper: 2) Oxytocin enhances pupil dilation and sensitivity to ‘hidden’ emotional expressions < <https://academic.oup.com/scan/article/8/7/741/1653225> https://academic.oup.com/scan/article/8/7/741/1653225> Granted, I expect to infer things not implied because I really have no idea what I'm reading. Whatever, I'm inspired by the other thread on acid epistemology to talk about things that cannot be talked about and run with the apparent contradiction. 8^) (2) seemed to say that oxytocin is a marker for being "on the look out", whereas (1) seems to imply it's a marker for being "in a state of trust/comfort/empathy/whatever". Endocrine signaling seems (in my ignorance) to be coarse and ambiguous. Since the body is made up of many quasi-autonomous components, an ebb or flow of a signal might take on different "meaning" depending on the *rest* of the conditions experienced by any given component. E.g. pupil dilation might occur in either context, where one's comfortable enough to be free of "fight or flight", but "on the look out" for subtle expressions in their ingroup team *or* safe enough to be free of "fight or flight", but "on the look out" for subtle expressions of subterfuge or betrayal in business negotiations (or whatever). I suppose a possible resolution of the contradiction might lie in the whole fast vs. slow thinking metaphor. If there are (at least) two conditions where one needs to be "on the look out", one fully engaged in fight or flight ... eyes darting around looking for the snake, pupils dilated ... or fully comfy on your couch listening to Enya ... pupils dilated hunting for the hidden emotional states of your dog. -- ☣ uǝlƃ ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe <http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com> http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives back to 2003: <http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/> http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ FRIAM-COMIC <http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/> http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove
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