Camus talks of "create what we are," Sartre "best they can realize themselves." It might appear that they both have some kind of belief in an innate Potential-of -Man.
Echoes of this seem to be foundational for the current fascination with Universal Basic Income. If Iona Innocent were relieved of her "material want" she would immediately turn into a poetess, philosopher, artisan, exemplar of all that is Human. >From my reading of both philosophers, but not the entire canon of either, I >believe that Camus is less naive in this regard than Sartre. Part of my belief >stems from Sartre's conviction that communism was THE answer. Both seem to blur issues of 'freedom-from' and 'freedom-to'. This same conflation of different notions results in cross-talk and therefore miscommunication between different cultural-political factions in the U.S. davew On Fri, Apr 24, 2020, at 1:55 PM, Steven A Smith wrote: > > Interesting contrast between two P(p)hilosophers (and friends) on the topic > of Freedom... a little dated but maybe good background on contemplating our > current paradox of "what means Freedom?" > >> ‘Absolute freedom is the right of the strongest to dominate,’ Camus wrote, >> while ‘absolute justice is achieved by the suppression of all contradiction: >> therefore it destroys freedom.’ The conflict between justice and freedom >> required constant re-balancing, political moderation, an acceptance and >> celebration of that which limits the most: our humanity. ‘To live and let >> live,’ he said, ‘in order to create what we are.’ >> >> Sartre read *The Rebel *with disgust. As far as he was concerned, it *was* >> possible to achieve perfect justice and freedom – that described the >> achievement of communism. Under capitalism, and in poverty, workers could >> not be free. Their options were unpalatable and inhumane: to work a pitiless >> and alienating job, or to die. But by removing the oppressors and broadly >> returning autonomy to the workers, communism allows each individual to live >> without material want, and therefore to choose how best they can realise >> themselves. This makes them free, and through this unbending equality, it is >> also just. > from > >> https://getpocket.com/explore/item/how-camus-and-sartre-split-up-over-the-question-of-how-to-be-free > .-. .- -. -.. --- -- -..-. -.. --- - ... -..-. .- -. -.. -..-. -.. .- ... > .... . ... > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam > unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ >
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