Yes. I have a few of those too. When you shoot a rabbit with a .30-30 not much is left to eat. Also, the rabbits around here a suffering from a Tularemia epidemic. If a strawman argument is meant to ridicule an opposing point of view you can say preposterous things.
That's not what I was doing. Frank --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Thu, May 28, 2020, 3:10 PM Marcus Daniels <[email protected]> wrote: > > http://www.wildlife.state.nm.us/rabbit-hemorrhagic-disease-cause-for-rabbit-mortality/ > > > > And wouldn’t a 0.22 suffice? > > > > *From: *Friam <[email protected]> on behalf of Frank Wimberly < > [email protected]> > *Reply-To: *The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group < > [email protected]> > *Date: *Thursday, May 28, 2020 at 2:07 PM > *To: *The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group < > [email protected]> > *Subject: *Re: [FRIAM] Covid and Politics > > > > Hey, I'm very familiar with the deserts of NM particularly those where I > lived as a kid. I'll take my .30-30 down there and just live on rabbit > meat until this is over. > > > > ^straw man^. I think. > > --- > Frank C. Wimberly > 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, > Santa Fe, NM 87505 > > 505 670-9918 > Santa Fe, NM > > > > On Thu, May 28, 2020, 2:52 PM <[email protected]> wrote: > > Steve, > > > > Well, why not articulate the metaphor and start a new usage, to > “stick-man” an argument,, i.e., to offer a highly simplified structure that > others can flesh out. > > > > But I am much more serious about the white van program that perhaps I > ought to confess to a coven of gun-toting libertarians. And I take Cody > to be about that serious about his summer camps. As things presently roll > along, we are slated to have 1k deaths a day, more or less indefinitely > into the future. That’s 400k deaths by the end of the year and at least a > million before we get the vaccine, as the economy alternatively chokes and > gasps for air under chaotic loosening ups and lock downs. . The white > van policy, cartoonishly represented I admit, is very close to what we do > with syphilis and used to do with TB and it will work.. We have started to > think of ourselves as somehow in a post pandemic world and that we do not > “deserve” to be quarantined. The virus does care for deserts. > > > > n > > > > Nicholas Thompson > > Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology > > Clark University > > [email protected] > > https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ > > > > > > *From:* Friam <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Steve Smith > *Sent:* Thursday, May 28, 2020 2:30 PM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Covid and Politics > > > > Nick - > > I think Cody's question is a good example of what *I* have tended to think > of as a "Strawman" (other thread) but now will try to call maybe a stickman > or an armature . I don't think he posited it as a literal "I can't see > why we just don't go do this tomorrow, it is a watertight idea that needs > to be implemented *this instant*" but rather a general thrust of an idea > that *invites* criticism and discussion. > > Marcus' point might have been a "show stopper" invalidating the whole > idea, or I would prefer to frame it as providing a good complementary > 'criticism'... a simple and direct reason for which such an idea *might > not* be relevant at all. Your own response takes Cody's idea more > seriously than mine does... you are looking to "flesh out" when and how it > *might* make sense. The nut of your observation here seems to be that in > a year (or so) we will A) become desperate enough to risk harming our > children deliberately (think measles parties in the 50s?) and B) we will > have resolved questions as implied by Marcus (maybe the immunity is not > strong or long lasting enough to be worth the risk, or maybe it is); and C) > by then we will know how effective of a vaccine or alternative therapies > will be available. > > Your own "white van" example I also take as a deliberately nearly-absurd > example to draw fire, to find the complement to, to > build-from-as-if-an-armature. I'm not fully sure what all you gesture at > with your white van and fortified la-bajada image, but I take it to suggest > B) la-bajada: Isolating a community (like Gunnison CO did in 1918) and A) > relaxing civil rights laws/regulations/expectations/standards to the point > that anyone implied to be infected can be snatched by a biohazard-suited > swat-team in a white van and tested and either released (with a thin or fat > apology and maybe even reparations) or incarcerated in a gilded cage with > lots of luxuries and top medical care until the infected becomes recovered > and then released to "go forth and prosper" > > - Steve > > > > Interesting, Cody. > > > > I think if a vaccine weren’t within a year or so, such a policy might be > entertained, unlike my suggestion of white vans plus shooting everybody who > tries to come up la bajada. > > > > Who would staff it? The staff would have to be isolated in the camp, too. > > Medical Staff would have to be really good. A really good hospital would > have to be quickly available. > > Parents would have to sign releases. > > > > Other than that, I can’t see why that doesn’t work. > > > > Nick > > > > > > Nicholas Thompson > > Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology > > Clark University > > [email protected] > > https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ > > > > > > *From:* Friam <[email protected]> <[email protected]> *On > Behalf Of *cody dooderson > *Sent:* Thursday, May 28, 2020 8:12 AM > *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group > <[email protected]> <[email protected]> > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Covid and Politics > > > > > > I had what I think is a great idea for herd immunity. What if the > government were to open overnight summer camps, and even pay for every kid > to spend 1 month canoeing, camping, and most importantly catching covid. > This way they could gain a herd immunity so that school could safely open > in September. > > > > > > > > On Wed, May 27, 2020, 2:05 PM Steve Smith <[email protected]> wrote: > > Cody - > > > > Nothing in my search will be ready for the September deadline. Where did > this deadline come from? > > > > I think September is a placeholder for: > > 1. Return to School (and the social mixing implied at all grade levels) > 2. Acutely (equinox) shortening days of sunlight (UV on outdoor > surfaces and time spent out/indoors/close quarters) > 3. 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