Steve, I am sure that my brother-in-law, who got his MD at Harvard after his undergraduate study there would enjoy talking to your daughter and would treat her as a full equal. I've never seen him acting superior to a colleague based on what school they went to. Same for my wife.
--- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Fri, May 29, 2020, 4:51 PM Steve Smith <[email protected]> wrote: > My daughter chose (with my strong advice) to get her undergrad from UCSC > instead of UCB (accepted but the academic scholarships she was offered > would have left her with a $50K debt after 4 years). She was shooting for > an MD at that point, and entering Med School with that kind of debt seemed > ridiculous... she ended up doing a PhD at UNM (Molecular Bio) with a fully > funded GRA position instead of UCB (where she would have incurred similar > debts in SPITE of a GRA offer there also). She went into the workforce > with $0 student debt very intentionally. > > She feels as well prepared as any of her peers (and more dedicated than > many) in her field (virology, flavi-virus specialty), yet feels mildly > excluded from some circles of IVY or neoIVY or ??? similarly elite school > alumni. There is a good-ole-boys-and-girls club in her world (or her > apprehension of her world) which has her being treated as "less than". > > Maybe this isn't real, or it is latent. But she lives it viscerally, > especially during funding cycles. > > > > On 5/29/20 4:37 PM, Frank Wimberly wrote: > > The mean household assets of the 1% exceeds $10 million. My wife and her > brother both graduated from Harvard. Their parents paid for their expenses > out-of-pocket. My in-laws were nowhere near the 1%. My FIL was an > attorney and a member of Governor Kerner's Human Rights Commission. My > wife's mother was a freelance writer who had published a couple of books > and many articles in popular magazines. Both my wife and my brother-in-law > received excellent educations. Yes, Nick, they were well-educated before > they got to Harvard. > > Frank > > --- > Frank C. Wimberly > 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, > Santa Fe, NM 87505 > > 505 670-9918 > Santa Fe, NM > > On Fri, May 29, 2020, 9:08 AM Prof David West <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Scott Galloway (professor at Stern School of business and supposed >> authority) on universities post COVID. >> >> Fifty percent of the investment in prestige university education is for >> 'certification' — degree that signals your lifetime earnings. The Harvard >> brand is strong enough that students will accept an inferior educational >> experience. The fifty biggest university brands, Harvard, Stanford, etc, >> will partner with tech giants like Apple or Facebook to create a hybrid >> university, most others will hollow out and die like the large department >> store chains. Dorm life and in-person experience will be reserved for >> children of the 1%. >> >> Pretty bleak and a commentary on previous FRIAM conversations about >> education and elite universities. >> >> davew >> >> -- --- .-. . .-.. --- -.-. -.- ... -..-. .- .-. . -..-. - .... . -..-. . >> ... ... . -. - .. .- .-.. -..-. .-- --- .-. -.- . .-. ... >> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >> Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam >> un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >> archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ >> FRIAM-COMIC <http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/FRIAM-COMIC> >> http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ >> > > -- --- .-. . .-.. --- -.-. -.- ... -..-. .- .-. . -..-. - .... . -..-. . ... > ... . -. - .. .- .-.. -..-. .-- --- .-. -.- . .-. ... > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam > un/subscribe <http://bit.ly/virtualfriamun/subscribe> > http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > > -- --- .-. . .-.. --- -.-. -.- ... -..-. .- .-. . -..-. - .... . -..-. . > ... ... . -. - .. .- .-.. -..-. .-- --- .-. -.- . .-. ... > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam > un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ >
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