Dear Nick. Please oh please keep trying! On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 12:41 AM David Eric Smith <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hi Nick, > > No, I don’t think vinegar will stay on the gloves. Acetic acid is a > volatile, so it just evaporates away. > > Best, > > Eric > > > On Jun 24, 2020, at 12:32 PM, <[email protected]> < > [email protected]> wrote: > > Eric and all, > > Thanks for taking it seriously. Do we know anyone who could comment on > the notion further. Would cotton gloves washed in vinegar be anti viral > when dried? > > Nick > > Nicholas Thompson > Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology > Clark University > [email protected] > https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ > <https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fwordpress.clarku.edu%2fnthompson%2f&c=E,1,T2u83HZcB_9JRsqa2qQG32Tn_GDuJoi6oIaVns4PThlwN3Y7HlWs3_O6bQlGm_bT75xhd8Fq_TvOJdOFiRjwLcgM6-xHNYl9XNbSpD0p3uVOb2EFi7PihHY,&typo=1> > > > *From:* Friam <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *David Eric Smith > *Sent:* Tuesday, June 23, 2020 6:32 PM > *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group < > [email protected]> > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] End most covid transmission? > > Nick and all, hi, > > This will be completely un-useful and un-actionable to anybody, but the > way you phrased your question is interesting anyway. > > When there was a push to develop fuel cells with polymer membranes, to get > away from platinum-palladium catalysts, one of the problems was that they > needed a membrane that would be proton-donating (so, functioning as an acid > by the Bronsted definition). There was a heavy raft of work for perhaps a > decade (maybe much longer) on polymer materials that have very acidic > side-chains. I don’t know how anything like that behaves if it is out > under air, rather than in a fluid environment. But if viruses are not dry, > and are hosted in small droplets for a time, perhaps that distinction is > less relevant. > > In any case, considering that the glove industry is probably entirely > predicated on reducing unit cost, and that I have no idea what the > elasticity may be of fuel cell membrane polymers, they probably will not be > glove material anytime soon. I haven’t even looked at that literature for, > what, maybe 15 years (?). So I have no idea what the state of development > is now. > > Eric. > > > On Jun 23, 2020, at 3:38 AM, <[email protected]> < > [email protected]> wrote: > > Any materials experts out there? > > Ok, so. We know that most covid transmission is hand to face and we know > that the virus is highly vulnerable to acids and some other substances. Is > it not possible to design gloves (and perhaps masks) with those substances > embedded? How about cloth gloves dunked in vinegar and hung out to dry > before wearing? Is vinegar still acid when it’s dry? > > Yeah. I know. Dumb. 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