Or infer an entity as the answer to "who are we?" -- rec --
On Fri, Jul 3, 2020 at 4:06 PM Prof David West <[email protected]> wrote: > the self interest is maximizing my presence in the resource niche (memory, > cycles). Just like an animal species, I want more of me in the environment > than of others. > > We must "infer" an entity behind the observable behavior, the same way we > infer an entity behind the behavior of an animal or human. > > davew > > > On Fri, Jul 3, 2020, at 1:24 PM, [email protected] wrote: > > Thanks, Dave, > > > > What is the self-interest that is being served in such a system. What is > the entity that “has” the interest. > > > > Or am I trapping myself in some stupid loop, here. > > > > n > > > > Nicholas Thompson > > Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology > > Clark University > > [email protected] > > https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ > > > > > > > *From:* Friam <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Prof David West > *Sent:* Friday, July 3, 2020 1:19 PM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] detritus from vFRIAM > > > > Nick, > > > > People write software that self-modifies, learns to shape current actions > based on the results of prior actions, clones itself in order to maximize > its share of some limited resource (memory or processor cycles) vis-a-vis > competing software. > > > > This kind of software, once created and deployed, is entirely autonomous. > Creators might send messages asking the software to execute a particular > behavior, but such messages have no special status, they are just another > part of the context to which the software responds. The field is called > "evolutionary software." > > > > To me, this is an example of a system, that once deployed, is autonomous > and acting on its own behalf. It is not aware of any "goals of the whole" > only its own will to "thrive." > > > > Not sure if this satisfied your request. > > > > davew > > > > > > On Fri, Jul 3, 2020, at 1:06 PM, [email protected] wrote: > > I tried to post this on the vFRIAM chat, but wouldn’t “take”, so I am > posting it here: > > > > “Don't do this now, but …. as a favor to me, could you-guys devote some of > your shaving time this week to the proposition: "No system ever acts on its > own behalf." My intuition is that whenever we investigate a system that > appears to act in its own behalf, we will find that it is pursuing a goal > that is short of the interest of the whole, but which will produce benefits > to the whole because of some property of the world in which it acts. I > would love to hear a discussion among people trying to design *a system > that acts on its own behalf*. Can someone come up with a simple example > of such a system.” > > > > I grant you that the question is not clear. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Nick > > > > Nicholas Thompson > > Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology > > Clark University > > [email protected] > > https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ > > > > > > > > - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . > > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > > Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam > > un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > > archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ > > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > > > > > - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam > un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > > > - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam > un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ >
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