Or genetics ==> schizophrenia ==>Shaman (in some societies) ==> many offspring
Or two genes for schizophrenia leads to low reproductive outcome but ONE gene leads to genius. Either way the gene is retained in the population. Nicholas Thompson Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology Clark University <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected] <https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ From: Friam <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Frank Wimberly Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 8:16 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] better simulating actual FriAM What about: genetics -> schizophrenia -> psychotic behavior -> shortened life -> fewer offspring Note that I am asking not asserting. Frank --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Fri, Jul 17, 2020, 6:35 PM <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: Glen, Notice, FWIW, that the original gen-phen distinction was understood to forbid any information traveling from phen to gen. Nick Nicholas Thompson Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology Clark University <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected] <https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ From: Friam <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > On Behalf Of Frank Wimberly Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 5:32 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] better simulating actual FriAM In a project I was working on in the 70s we said that we were trying to identify phenotypic manifestations of a genetic predisposition to develop schizophrenia. Does that work for you? --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Fri, Jul 17, 2020, 5:27 PM uǝlƃ ↙↙↙ <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: Neither! Ha! As Colleen Green mumbles: "Once you get to know me, you won't love me anymore." https://youtu.be/ankOO77de7o You're both a little wrong and a little right. The gen-phen map is inspired by genotype-phenotype. But liberties are taken with what it can mean. In particular, I've worked with some clinicians who call any pattern they're looking for in their patients a "phenotype". It's a very loose use of the word, but it gets the job done for them. For *me*, I tend to mean *only* systems where the phenomen[on|a] exert[s] some kind of downward causation on the generators (mostly just setting constraints). Maybe I should start calling it the phen-gen map instead? On 7/17/20 4:00 PM, [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> wrote: > At the very end you spoke of the generator/phenomenon distinction. I bet Jon > a million dollars that you did NOT mean the same thing as the > genotype/phenotype distinction. So. Who's your friend, here? -- ↙↙↙ uǝlƃ - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam <http://bit.ly/virtualfriam> un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ <http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/FRIAM-COMIC> FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam <http://bit.ly/virtualfriam> un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/
- .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/
