Agreed! No sé nada aquí. No swimming here, right?
--- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Sun, Aug 9, 2020, 12:34 PM Diane McCorkle <[email protected]> wrote: > I agree with you, Dad, but have never seen “se gusta.” > > Gustar is a verb with an implicit direct object: el gusto. Gustar=dar > gusto. > > It could be like other intransitive verbs that can be made passive with > “se”: no se nada aquí. > > On Sun, Aug 9, 2020 at 9:47 AM Frank Wimberly <[email protected]> wrote: > >> It's usually obvious from.the context who/what "it" is. People do say >> "yo gusto" but like "yo te gusto?" Do you like me? And sometimes to be >> cute "tu gustas?" which is incorrect. These examples are not passive >> voice. "Se gusta?" meaning "is it liked?" is passive voice. Any >> disagreements will be referred to my daughter, the Spanish teacher. >> >> An improvement on my earlier comment "se me cayó la taza" would be "the >> cup was fallen on me" which is also passive voice and also makes >> responsibility ambiguous. >> >> Every time I write "passive", Android mail client auto-completes it as >> "passive aggressive". >> >> Frank >> >> --- >> Frank C. Wimberly >> 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, >> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/140+Calle+Ojo+Feliz,++Santa+Fe,+NM+87505?entry=gmail&source=g> >> Santa Fe, NM 87505 >> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/140+Calle+Ojo+Feliz,++Santa+Fe,+NM+87505?entry=gmail&source=g> >> >> 505 670-9918 >> Santa Fe, NM >> >> On Fri, Aug 7, 2020, 4:43 PM Edward Angel <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Literally it says “it pleases me” which is the passive voice leading to >>> the question who is “it?" >>> _______________________ >>> >>> Ed Angel >>> >>> Founding Director, Art, Research, Technology and Science Laboratory >>> (ARTS Lab) >>> Professor Emeritus of Computer Science, University of New Mexico >>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/New+Mexico+1017+Sierra+Pinon+Santa+Fe,+NM+87501?entry=gmail&source=g> >>> >>> 1017 Sierra Pinon >>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/New+Mexico+1017+Sierra+Pinon+Santa+Fe,+NM+87501?entry=gmail&source=g> >>> Santa Fe, NM 87501 >>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/New+Mexico+1017+Sierra+Pinon+Santa+Fe,+NM+87501?entry=gmail&source=g> >>> 505-984-0136 (home) [email protected] >>> 505-453-4944 (cell) http://www.cs.unm.edu/~angel >>> >>> On Aug 7, 2020, at 4:30 PM, Gary Schiltz <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> I'm no grammar expert, even in my native English, but I don't believe >>> "me gusta el cafe" is using passive voice. It literally says "coffee >>> pleases me". Comments, Frank? But then, I may be confused about what >>> passive voice is. >>> >>> On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 5:23 PM Angel Edward <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Isn’t it a consequence of the routine use of the passive voice in >>>> Spanish as in “me gusta” instead of “yo gusto?” >>>> >>>> The passive voice is pretty much gone in textbooks but I occasionally I >>>> get objections from Spanish speakers who claim my textbook can’t be serious >>>> because I don’t use the passive voice. >>>> >>>> Ed >>>> __________ >>>> >>>> Ed Angel >>>> >>>> Founding Director, Art, Research, Technology and Science Laboratory >>>> (ARTS Lab) >>>> Professor Emeritus of Computer Science, University of New Mexico >>>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/New+Mexico+1017+Sierra+Pinon+Santa+Fe,+NM+87501?entry=gmail&source=g> >>>> >>>> 1017 Sierra Pinon >>>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/New+Mexico+1017+Sierra+Pinon+Santa+Fe,+NM+87501?entry=gmail&source=g> >>>> Santa Fe, NM 87501 >>>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/New+Mexico+1017+Sierra+Pinon+Santa+Fe,+NM+87501?entry=gmail&source=g> >>>> 505-984-0136 (home) [email protected] >>>> 505-453-4944 (cell) http://www.cs.unm.edu/~angel >>>> >>>> On Aug 7, 2020, at 4:17 PM, Gary Schiltz <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Despite living in a Spanish speaking country for 12 years, I still >>>> struggle mightily with Spanish grammar. This is mainly due to laziness on >>>> my part, as well as lack of necessity to immerse myself in the language >>>> (there are a lot of English speakers here, not to mention expat groups on >>>> Facebook in English). Still, Spanish is *so* much more consistent in all >>>> respects than English - pronunciation especially. But the reflexive verbs >>>> are still somewhat of a mystery to me. I've wondered exactly the same thing >>>> that Frank mentioned: does "the cup fell itself on me" and "the pencil >>>> broke itself on mf" represent desire to avoid responsibility? Maybe even >>>> blame the victim? Ouch! Your nose nearly broke my fist! >>>> >>>> On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 2:06 PM Tom Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Or the equally famous Spanish phrase, "The pencil broke itself." A >>>>> phrase which you think I would remember. >>>>> TJ >>>>> >>>>> ============================================ >>>>> Tom Johnson - [email protected] >>>>> Institute for Analytic Journalism -- Santa Fe, NM USA >>>>> 505.577.6482(c) 505.473.9646(h) >>>>> *NM Foundation for Open Government* <http://nmfog.org/> >>>>> *Check out It's The People's Data >>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/pages/Its-The-Peoples-Data/1599854626919671>* >>>>> >>>>> ============================================ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=icon> >>>>> Virus-free. >>>>> www.avast.com >>>>> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=link> >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 12:55 PM Frank Wimberly <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> In Spanish if you drop your cup you say, "See me cayó la taza". A >>>>>> literal word--for-word translation is "The cup fell itself on me". Some >>>>>> people say this is an effort to avoid responsibility. >>>>>> >>>>>> Frank >>>>>> >>>>>> --- >>>>>> Frank C. Wimberly >>>>>> 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, >>>>>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/140+Calle+Ojo+Feliz,++Santa+Fe,+NM+87505?entry=gmail&source=g> >>>>>> Santa Fe, NM 87505 >>>>>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/140+Calle+Ojo+Feliz,++Santa+Fe,+NM+87505?entry=gmail&source=g> >>>>>> >>>>>> 505 670-9918 >>>>>> Santa Fe, NM >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Aug 7, 2020, 9:01 AM Barry MacKichan < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Very much so. We hired a grad student a long time ago (he stayed >>>>>>> with us until he retired). He wrote great Pascal programs. He wrote >>>>>>> great >>>>>>> Pascal programs in C++, and in JavaScript. The effect of your first >>>>>>> programming language on style, idioms, and your feelings about recursion >>>>>>> and encapsulation. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> —Barry >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 6 Aug 2020, at 23:24, [email protected] wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Nah. He means more than that. Even ordinary languages predispose >>>>>>> users to one kind of discourse or another. 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