Yes, but ….
We don’t fetishize “achievement” and we keep taking money and educational opportunity off the top and pouring it in at the bottom, not because we have empathy for those poor people but because we recognize that there-but-for-the-grace-of-God go we. N Nicholas Thompson Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology Clark University <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected] <https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ From: Friam <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Frank Wimberly Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2020 12:26 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Getting You Libertarians' Goats Agreed. --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Sun, Sep 13, 2020, 12:21 PM Marcus Daniels <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: Yes, but so what? If there is a lottery system for top universities (per the abstract), how is that substantially different from just viewing individuals a cluster of particles in the expanding universe? It’s one kind of luck or another. From: Friam <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > On Behalf Of Frank Wimberly Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2020 11:15 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Getting You Libertarians' Goats More luck. Luck isn't the only thing but it's important. Nick Hanauer says that years ago he had a couple million to invest and he was presented with a couple of venture capital opportunities. He had no idea which to choose so he essentially flipped a coin. His choice was Amazon and he's now a multi-billionaire. --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Sun, Sep 13, 2020, 11:56 AM Marcus Daniels <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: Taking the view that success is nothing more than an outcome of a random percolation process, the individuals on the `winning’ end of that percolation process are significantly different from the people that got stuck somehow. They have more skills, more knowledge, more contacts, more experience. Yes there are arguable counter examples: PhDs that do management and lose their technical edge, or individuals that are too specialized to do anything very useful. But by in large it is helpful to be around people that study and solve hard problems for a living and accumulate expertise. If it is a given that there are only so many slots available or needed for highly-skilled people in a society, then whether there is `justice’ for that selection isn’t really related to merit as a thing (versus as a process). What’s really needed to get more people through some kind of enriching percolation process is a *demand* for it – huge numbers of open, positions that will participate in creating diverse services people want to pay for. Then the various kinds of organizations that provide appropriate support for learning can adapt to that need. From: Friam <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > On Behalf Of [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2020 10:28 AM To: 'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group' <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Subject: [FRIAM] Getting You Libertarians' Goats This should do it! https://www.kirkusreviews.com/book-reviews/michael-j-sandel/the-tyranny-of-merit/ The thesis is that “meritocracy” is the cause of the fact that the us is now the least socially mobile country among the western democracies. Nick Nicholas Thompson Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology Clark University [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam <http://bit.ly/virtualfriam> un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam <http://bit.ly/virtualfriam> un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/
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