BTW, I worry smiling Pompeo wasn't in denial he was predicting a 'smooth
transition to a second term'.
Meanwhile, PBS is showing the Rise of the Nazis see
https://www.pbs.org/show/rise-nazis/. It took 4 years for the Nazis to
destroy democracy.
-Robert C
On 11/11/20 4:11 PM, David Eric Smith wrote:
So at some point, too, though, there are actual facts and things and
events in the world, which aren’t just cut from the fabric of human
impression and attitude.
Suppose the following; as I was walking thisPM, after finally watching
the Van Jones TED that Glen circulated, it seemed quite believable to me.
1. Suppose what Van sketches is actually the plan. Trump plans to
instigate a constitutional crisis. I think he is capable of planning
to that degree of complexity and on that time horizon. And I have no
reason in the world not to think Bill Barr would be down with the
lark, and could advise him on the law to do it. I’m not sure Pompeo
has the same background, but in character I expect he would think it
is a great idea.
2. Then we wind up in congress. He doesn’t have a huge margin; there
are only 26 republican representatives (or whatever the name is for
them). So he really needs them all. That’s what the last four years
has been for. Figure out who has any other levers besides greed of
fear, and get them out. Keep Graham and Cruz and all the rest like
them, who are amoral and predatory, and Collins and her ilk who can be
terrorized.
3. Suppose people decide to object, and want to take to the streets.
Really a terrible time to have Esper running DOD. He wouldn’t sic
the US armed forces on them. So find some quasi-fascist brigadier
general who thinks might is not merely right, but Everything. Of
course, you have to goad people and try to provoke them, so that the
lower-downs in the military will be willing to take orders, not
because they think the orders are moral, but because they feel
threatened and are trying to protect themselves and each other.
That’s always how you co-opt soldiers.
I look at the footage of old civil rights protestors, singing,
dancing, and clapping while being herded into paddy wagons, after
generations of abuse, and I cannot imagine a large cross-section of
Americans today with the discipline to do the same if provoked. So
goading a few people into violence, and then using that to excuse a
military lockdown, doesn’t seem out of reach.
Does anyone, anywhere, think the thing to make this unrealistic would
be trump’s getting cold feet or having qualms? If so, then I think
that person is on the wrong side of a factual evaluation that has
nothing to do with values or character. One of the two positions is
right.
The rest is really a calculation. How degraded are the other needed
actors, and how wide is the margin of error for the ones who would try
it? There people could have opinions deriving from their own
characters or their beliefs in the characters of others, which I can
easily see disagreeing. It also may not have a deterministic answer,
but boil down to accidents of circumstance. So the disagreement could
reasonably reflect this too.
Dunno. If you can read enough news to know that S. Korea exists, how
can your intelligence lead you to believe either that trump and co
have done this well, or that if they haven’t it’s no big deal? That
to me does not seem to be a question about ideology.
Eric
On Nov 11, 2020, at 5:50 PM, Stephen Guerin
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Marcus,
Do you have close friend or family member with strong character and
high intelligence that is also a Trump voter? My brother-in-law is a
submarine captain. It was helpful to have a 3-hour call with him last
night.
I come away with the idea that his mental model is not opposed to
mine...it's more of a dual to mine on which future Action can be
defined :-)
-Stephen
On Wed, Nov 11, 2020 at 11:35 AM Marcus Daniels <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Roger writes:
< These people weren't voting for rascism, misogyny, narcissism,
authoritarianism, xenophobia, gimp shaming, science denialism, or
all that other baggage, they were overlooking it for reasons. >
Many of those that could not work due to COVID restrictions are
often in battleground or red states. That’s the only way I can
possibly begin to rationalize the 71 million. To me, overlooking
those things is unacceptable. It’s not useful to exercise any
empathy for them. They made a deal with the devil. It should
have been a win by 50 million, not 5 million.
Marcus
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