Yes, huge point here. I don’t feel angry at ticks or V. cholerae. I would feel very angry at a person who injured something innocent.
I prefer my affect toward trump to be closer to my affect toward ticks, because I think he is degraded enough to not qualify much as human. I hold that position, having considered that I need to be careful, because “dehumanizing the enemy”, as it is fashionable to call it in the current writing, is the tactic of genocidalists. The trumpers? Big range. There’s probably a “Universal Basic Humanity” that you get, which comes with your genotype, and you have to actively squander it to become coeval with a tick. But to have more humanity than the UBH, you do have to make an effort to deserve it. Eric > On Nov 12, 2020, at 2:00 PM, Frank Wimberly <[email protected]> wrote: > > If you feel angry at them while not understanding that it's because they're > similar to you then you will feel ambivalent about your anger. If they're > not similar to you you probably won't feel anger > > > --- > Frank C. Wimberly > 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, > Santa Fe, NM 87505 > > 505 670-9918 > Santa Fe, NM > > On Thu, Nov 12, 2020, 11:55 AM <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > Frank wrote > > > > and feel angry at them > > > > But you are always free to feel angry at them. The question is, “What is > that doing for you? Why bother? And why do you NOT feel free to be angry, > any time you want? And does “feeling free to be angry” have anything to do > with “being angry”? Who knows what evil lurks in the depths of the human > heart? The Shadow Knows. > > > > Nicholas Thompson > > Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology > > Clark University > > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ > <https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fwordpress.clarku.edu%2fnthompson%2f&c=E,1,zKScOG-XzIetSmtG5NqWwsWaubhQbOVFbbcBS_bzQ2U9tPXE_griKcdSNL6nyVETlAHRjG-OYLq_Utr5wsQZq7B_eqDyKmL0kYCfF_z7&typo=1> > > > > > From: Friam <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> On > Behalf Of Frank Wimberly > Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2020 12:47 PM > To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Biden beats Trump > > > > After you are in touch with the empathy and understand it, feel free to > reject the Trumpers and feel angry at them. > > > > On Thu, Nov 12, 2020 at 11:42 AM <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > If anybody understands what Glen is saying, please explain it to me. I feel > he has tried hard enough. I sympathise with his frustration, and am taking > action. > > (Private Message : Sorry, Jon I lied. ) > > N > > Nicholas Thompson > Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology > Clark University > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ > <https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fwordpress.clarku.edu%2fnthompson%2f&c=E,1,lSC2gLBGqAp7yGveANNR3y-vRjN_Z0ZUeMukb8VREkBoe4UcHM-m6RYYOXq2A8BddZtgPRHyaTX2sni9QJBrcbtxrGhiKTjU8Z_ixtu6OYwSDrUgX3dn&typo=1> > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Friam <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> On > Behalf Of u?l? ??? > Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2020 12:20 PM > To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Biden beats Trump > > There's so much that's so wrong I can't let it go uncommented. Everything you > say (in almost every post) seems to factor out *time*. When you say "As > commands to the self, [anger, hate, contempt, etc.] make no sense what so > ever", you're speaking as if the Nick of 20 years ago is the exact identical > Nick as the present Nick, which is so wrong as to be laughable. > > Your ill-expressed point is that the empathy/sympathy emotions for Trump > supporters are not under your intentional control. And you seem to be saying > that those of us who claim we shouldn't "spare" any empathy/sympathy are > either in denial or self-blinding or somesuch. Again, that ignores *time*. > Sure, I feel empathy for some of them, someTIMES. But I don't for others of > them, at other times. > > If you've ever extracted yourself from an abusive relationship, you should > understand this episodic concept. If you have never had such a relationship, > then you are the luckiest person I've ever met. The longer the idiocy goes > on, the less empathy I feel, the fewer episodes of empathy I experience. The > abuser only has so much time to change his ways before I explode and murder > him in his sleep, my tears of sympathy mixing with his blood. > > Maybe the additional premise is that there is such a thing as time and > evolution? It's weird that someone who talks about things like MOTH would > fail to understand that, though. > > On 11/12/20 9:57 AM, [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: > > Ok, but, let’s look at that impulse. Is it the impulse to sympathize? > > Why is that so scary? Sympathy is informative, not paralyzing. Can one > > not feel sympathy for the rabid dog just exactly at the moment one kills > > it? Somebody ran over a cat in our yard, once, crushed it’s hindquarters. > > I felt tremendous sympathy for the cat, /and so I killed it. / For sympathy > > to be paralyzing, there has to be one more premise, and I cannot identify > > that additional premise. Anger, hate, contempt, etc., are assertions of an > > ought. Oughts only work in the context of trying to incite others to a > > common action. As commands to the self, they make no sense what so ever. > > So, unless you are standing in front of crowd, trying to get them to lynch > > somebody, these emotions are self-blinding. Now, I suppose, self-blinding > > is useful, when you just don’t want to fuck with subtleties of life, but > > nothing about them can be claimed as rational. Right? 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