I'll see you and raise you a photograph of Donald Trump on the wall.   

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From: Friam <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Steve Smith
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2020 4:54 PM
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Subject: Re: [FRIAM] 5 agencies compromised

LANL's "communications dept" had their own posters printed up that showed up 
everywhere for the full 27 years I was there for... maybe DOE and DOD 
supplied/inspired messaging... but the one that hit me as the most 
strange/hypocritical was the "Nations don't have friends, they have Interests" 
which was supposed to help undermine Scientists (and others with top 
clearances) from being seduced by nation-states who pretended to be "friends".  
 The hypocrisy IMO was the illusion that our own Nation State was in some way 
our friend, when in fact, our very employment and even existence as *citizens* 
was ultimately a reflection of this Nation-State's "Interests"...    

I became acutely aware of some of this when a new director gave us all a 
lecture on "neither confirm or deny" and reminded us that even to deny some 
outlandish claim about a classified matter was in fact, a capital crime.   The 
night before I had been in a hot-tub with a small group of Santa Fe Artist 
types who "Knew" all kinds of things about LANL, the Nuclear Weapons Programme, 
Area 51 and Aliens, not to mention Chemtrails, VaxxHOaxes, and ESP.   I 
remember smirking and maybe even scoffing into my elbow a few times at some of 
those statements and my bosses' bosses' boss was reminding me that I had in 
fact committed a Capital crime with both smirk and scoff, though it WAS dark, 
they probably didn't see my smirk and I masked my scoff as a cough, etc.  

I checked my paycheck stub that week and realized I was in no way compensated 
with "hazard pay", since having classified info in my head was clearly a huge 
risk, taking my life into my own hands every time I learned a new secret...    
I was pretty clear in my own head what was true, was pro-nuke propaganda, what 
was anti-nuke propaganda and what of that which I knew enough about to confirm 
or deny was classified, but that didn't stop me from smirking and scoffing 
involuntarily from time to time.   It was the beginning of the end... 
fortunately DOE Q-type classified material was not nearly as "risky" as the DOD 
TS type as our friend Ed Snowden found out...   I think I winced every time I 
got close to the latter stuff right up until I left and the information (and my
memory) started to age rapidly.     

> A colleague of mine was here on a visa from Iran. And the way he described 
> living in Iran made it sound quite nice. He was an atheist, though, and it 
> was difficult to talk about his [a]belief ... but no more so than some 
> regions of the US, I'd bet. From that point forward, I couldn't help but 
> wonder if some "corporation" in Iran solicited me for a job req ... how would 
> I respond? Fly over for the interview? Politely decline? I honestly don't 
> know. I'm pretty sure my mouth would get me killed there. But you never know.
>
> On 12/17/20 11:28 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
>> Nation states could also acquire or steal source codes to efficiently find 
>> the zero day exploits and hire people away from the companies that wrote the 
>> codes.   The reverse engineering could start with really good models of the 
>> target systems going in.  The first thing to do is unlevel the playing field.

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